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	<title>Comments on: NRA Taking Heat Because Of Jim Zumbo</title>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/02/26/nra-taking-heat-because-of-jim-zumbo/#comment-4024</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 02:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t feel &#039;invincible,&#039; merely sad.  Not that Zumbo lost his gigs, but that so many people like to cite the 1st amendment in this debate.  Get. Over. It.  

Not ONE of the &quot;activisits&#039; sought to call down the government or the law on Mr. Zumbo.  That would, indeed, have been a first amendment issue.  Instead, they called for a boycott.  

Whatever else you might think about a boycott, it is not and never will be a 1st Amendment issue.  Got that ?  The 1st Amendment thing is a red herring, and I wish it would stop.  If folks want to call those who threatened a boycott some names, feel free.  But don&#039;t invoke the Constitution -- such misdirection cheapens the debate.

There may well have been a SECOND Amendment issue -- Zumbo did call for legal restrictions, after all.  If so, that was the only amendment in jeopardy in this whole affar.

Ultimately, this is about the consequences of opinions.  If someone used a loaded racial epithet, and there were calls for a boycott, would we even be having this debate ? I think not.  Because we -- rightly -- would say &quot;he brought it on himself, and his sponsors torpedoed him.&quot;  

News flash -- for those of us firearms owners who (a) don&#039;t hunt, and (b) have been deeply involved in and committed to the preservation of the 2nd Amendment, this sort of &quot;my gun is good but yours is BAD&quot; elitist crap is offensive. I don&#039;t have to even OWN an &quot;evil black rifle&quot; to become angry at that sort of an attitude.  

As a student of history, I know that the EBRs are far closer to the intent of the 2nd Amendment than is my Weatherby. And as an engineer, I know that a gas-operated semiautomatic is a gas-operated semiautomatic no matter the color or material the stock is made of.   

So when a &quot;good friend of firearms owners&quot; takes that &quot;good gun / bad gun&quot; attitude, it deeply upsets me.   And I&#039;ll contact sponsors -- like Remington -- and ask &quot;exactly what kind of bozos are you hring ?&quot;

If you get rotten customer service, then you should complain.  If your vendor supports folk who express opinions that deeply offend you, letting them know you&#039;re taking your business elsewhere is simply the customer&#039;s choice.  If enouigh people do that because of the opinions expressed publicly by one of your employees hired for his supposed knowledge in that particular field, would you keep him on ?  If a member of a prestigious NY City  law firm supported the goals of the KKK in his own blog, would he keep his job ?  It&#039;s his consitutional right, to be sure, but it&#039;s also sufficienly embarrassing to his employers to make him a liability.

Maybe I should resign from the NRA and start my own organization that supports banning hunting arms as not suitable for militia use, but supports the ownership of EBR&#039;s. I wonder how hunters might feel about that ?  

Ponder that long and hard, and then consider if Zumbo was mistreated .

There&#039;s only one fault here -- the guy who engaged his mouth before his brain.  When I do that -- oh, and I have -- I expect to pay the price.  What Zumbo was stupid enough, egregious enough, and public enough that he has paid the price.

No, I&#039;m not gloating -- as I sad the entire affair saddens me as it does whenever someone does something bad enough to end his/her career.  But let&#039;s not make it about the 1st Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t feel &#8216;invincible,&#8217; merely sad.  Not that Zumbo lost his gigs, but that so many people like to cite the 1st amendment in this debate.  Get. Over. It.  </p>
<p>Not ONE of the &#8220;activisits&#8217; sought to call down the government or the law on Mr. Zumbo.  That would, indeed, have been a first amendment issue.  Instead, they called for a boycott.  </p>
<p>Whatever else you might think about a boycott, it is not and never will be a 1st Amendment issue.  Got that ?  The 1st Amendment thing is a red herring, and I wish it would stop.  If folks want to call those who threatened a boycott some names, feel free.  But don&#8217;t invoke the Constitution &#8212; such misdirection cheapens the debate.</p>
<p>There may well have been a SECOND Amendment issue &#8212; Zumbo did call for legal restrictions, after all.  If so, that was the only amendment in jeopardy in this whole affar.</p>
<p>Ultimately, this is about the consequences of opinions.  If someone used a loaded racial epithet, and there were calls for a boycott, would we even be having this debate ? I think not.  Because we &#8212; rightly &#8212; would say &#8220;he brought it on himself, and his sponsors torpedoed him.&#8221;  </p>
<p>News flash &#8212; for those of us firearms owners who (a) don&#8217;t hunt, and (b) have been deeply involved in and committed to the preservation of the 2nd Amendment, this sort of &#8220;my gun is good but yours is BAD&#8221; elitist crap is offensive. I don&#8217;t have to even OWN an &#8220;evil black rifle&#8221; to become angry at that sort of an attitude.  </p>
<p>As a student of history, I know that the EBRs are far closer to the intent of the 2nd Amendment than is my Weatherby. And as an engineer, I know that a gas-operated semiautomatic is a gas-operated semiautomatic no matter the color or material the stock is made of.   </p>
<p>So when a &#8220;good friend of firearms owners&#8221; takes that &#8220;good gun / bad gun&#8221; attitude, it deeply upsets me.   And I&#8217;ll contact sponsors &#8212; like Remington &#8212; and ask &#8220;exactly what kind of bozos are you hring ?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you get rotten customer service, then you should complain.  If your vendor supports folk who express opinions that deeply offend you, letting them know you&#8217;re taking your business elsewhere is simply the customer&#8217;s choice.  If enouigh people do that because of the opinions expressed publicly by one of your employees hired for his supposed knowledge in that particular field, would you keep him on ?  If a member of a prestigious NY City  law firm supported the goals of the KKK in his own blog, would he keep his job ?  It&#8217;s his consitutional right, to be sure, but it&#8217;s also sufficienly embarrassing to his employers to make him a liability.</p>
<p>Maybe I should resign from the NRA and start my own organization that supports banning hunting arms as not suitable for militia use, but supports the ownership of EBR&#8217;s. I wonder how hunters might feel about that ?  </p>
<p>Ponder that long and hard, and then consider if Zumbo was mistreated .</p>
<p>There&#8217;s only one fault here &#8212; the guy who engaged his mouth before his brain.  When I do that &#8212; oh, and I have &#8212; I expect to pay the price.  What Zumbo was stupid enough, egregious enough, and public enough that he has paid the price.</p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m not gloating &#8212; as I sad the entire affair saddens me as it does whenever someone does something bad enough to end his/her career.  But let&#8217;s not make it about the 1st Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/02/26/nra-taking-heat-because-of-jim-zumbo/#comment-4023</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Kristine!</description>
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		<title>By: Kristine Shreve</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/02/26/nra-taking-heat-because-of-jim-zumbo/#comment-4022</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristine Shreve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What saddens me about this whole thing is that it seems the pro-hunting community is missing a huge opportunity for education.  Hunting stories are appearing in the mainstream media, and no one from the pro-hunting community seems to be steering the spin.  The story shouldn&#039;t be Jim Zumbo, it should be why his post was mistaken and what the facts really are.  

I&#039;ve had this discussion several times, on my blog and on forums to which I belong.  In my opinion, pro-hunting organizations need to do more to educate non-hunters, even those who may never hunt.  I think we&#039;re missing a great opportunity here, and I&#039;m a bit disappointed about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What saddens me about this whole thing is that it seems the pro-hunting community is missing a huge opportunity for education.  Hunting stories are appearing in the mainstream media, and no one from the pro-hunting community seems to be steering the spin.  The story shouldn&#8217;t be Jim Zumbo, it should be why his post was mistaken and what the facts really are.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had this discussion several times, on my blog and on forums to which I belong.  In my opinion, pro-hunting organizations need to do more to educate non-hunters, even those who may never hunt.  I think we&#8217;re missing a great opportunity here, and I&#8217;m a bit disappointed about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/02/26/nra-taking-heat-because-of-jim-zumbo/#comment-4021</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G. Mock,

I agree!</description>
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<p>I agree!</p>
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		<title>By: G. MOCK</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/02/26/nra-taking-heat-because-of-jim-zumbo/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>G. MOCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VERY GOOD COMMENT   &quot;MIKE GLASER&quot; .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VERY GOOD COMMENT   &#8220;MIKE GLASER&#8221; .</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Glaser</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/02/26/nra-taking-heat-because-of-jim-zumbo/#comment-4018</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Glaser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who choose the unfortunate comments of Jim Zumbo as a platform from which to criticize the NRA, I would like to direct a few comments.  I joined the NRA while still a police officer, because I saw the agenda of the Anti-gun Lobby that was afforded advertising space in certain publications geared toward police officers, and because I recognize that the dignity that is inherent to police work comes from a group of men and women who assume a calculated risk to enforce the Law of the Land within the boundaries of the Constitution.    A lot of gun owners who bash the NRA do so, not out of a sense of responsibility to the community, as they would have you believe, but simply because rather than standing up to the Anti-Gun Lobby, it is easier to pander to those considerable forces in politics and the media who despise the Second Amendment by somehow implying that the other guy is an extremist but you are &quot;reasonable.&quot;  The Anti-gun Lobby looks upon any capitulation to its ill-advised and malignant agenda as weakness, pure and simple.  It also seeks to ultimately ban private ownership of all firearms, down to and including muskets, as its &quot;final solution.&quot;  I have stated before that I do not choose to hunt, but I will support your right to hunt to the bitter end.  For you to denigrate the NRA because you think that it somehow makes you look better to the gun-banners is nothing less than cowardice and folly.  Believe it or not, we are currently involved in a civil war in this Nation being waged between people who believe that freedom marks the difference between living and merely existing, and between those who despise freedom as being too dangerous, too dirty, too selfish, too expensive and simply too unfair to be enjoyed by this and future generations.  If choosing to live in freedom makes me an extremist, than I will wear the label proudly.  There have been a multitude of &quot;extremists&quot; who have gone before me who sacrificed their lives so that you and I and our families might live in liberty.  If you in all of your &quot;restraint and reason&quot; feel otherwise, make no mistake about it that, unwittingly or otherwise, you are tyranny&#039;s best friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who choose the unfortunate comments of Jim Zumbo as a platform from which to criticize the NRA, I would like to direct a few comments.  I joined the NRA while still a police officer, because I saw the agenda of the Anti-gun Lobby that was afforded advertising space in certain publications geared toward police officers, and because I recognize that the dignity that is inherent to police work comes from a group of men and women who assume a calculated risk to enforce the Law of the Land within the boundaries of the Constitution.    A lot of gun owners who bash the NRA do so, not out of a sense of responsibility to the community, as they would have you believe, but simply because rather than standing up to the Anti-Gun Lobby, it is easier to pander to those considerable forces in politics and the media who despise the Second Amendment by somehow implying that the other guy is an extremist but you are &#8220;reasonable.&#8221;  The Anti-gun Lobby looks upon any capitulation to its ill-advised and malignant agenda as weakness, pure and simple.  It also seeks to ultimately ban private ownership of all firearms, down to and including muskets, as its &#8220;final solution.&#8221;  I have stated before that I do not choose to hunt, but I will support your right to hunt to the bitter end.  For you to denigrate the NRA because you think that it somehow makes you look better to the gun-banners is nothing less than cowardice and folly.  Believe it or not, we are currently involved in a civil war in this Nation being waged between people who believe that freedom marks the difference between living and merely existing, and between those who despise freedom as being too dangerous, too dirty, too selfish, too expensive and simply too unfair to be enjoyed by this and future generations.  If choosing to live in freedom makes me an extremist, than I will wear the label proudly.  There have been a multitude of &#8220;extremists&#8221; who have gone before me who sacrificed their lives so that you and I and our families might live in liberty.  If you in all of your &#8220;restraint and reason&#8221; feel otherwise, make no mistake about it that, unwittingly or otherwise, you are tyranny&#8217;s best friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Excellent post.  I think you cut to the very heart of the matter.

Right now, the &#039;gun activists&#039; feel they are invincible by &#039;Zumboing&#039; Zumbo.  In doing so, and the fighting that resulted amongst them afterwards, they have exposed a weakness to the &#039;anti-crowd&#039;.  It&#039;s time to set petty differences aside and pull together before the anti&#039;s have a chance to use it in their favor.

Cliff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Excellent post.  I think you cut to the very heart of the matter.</p>
<p>Right now, the &#8216;gun activists&#8217; feel they are invincible by &#8216;Zumboing&#8217; Zumbo.  In doing so, and the fighting that resulted amongst them afterwards, they have exposed a weakness to the &#8216;anti-crowd&#8217;.  It&#8217;s time to set petty differences aside and pull together before the anti&#8217;s have a chance to use it in their favor.</p>
<p>Cliff</p>
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