Hunting configuration:
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=gallery&req=si&img=268

Target/competition/HD configuration:
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/forums/index.php?automodule=gallery&req=si&img=589

I really think this is both a case of shooter and industry overreaction, but Zumbo being out of touch is kind of surprising. I would think if the clips were limited to 5-7 rounds in the field, he would have never made this comment.

Actually, all rifles combined account for less than 3% of guns used in murders, according to the FBI.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/table_20.html

FWIW, I’m sure that when military-style bolt-action repeaters first began to displace single-shot rifles and lever actions in the hunting fields, there were some who despised the new military style weapons, and probably a few that would have liked to see Mausers and Mauser-derived sporters banned from the fields. But in the end, bolt-actions were accepted, to the extent that most hunting rifles are now bolt guns. The same thing is now happening with regard to hunting rifles with protruding handgrips, black plastic stocks, and forged aluminum receivers. The more things change, the more they remain the same.

Objectively speaking, 5 rounds of 154gr 7.62x39mm softpoints, vs. 5 rounds of .30-30 Winchester 150gr softpoints, are identical from the animal’s standpoint. Whether you are shooting a Winchester model 94, Ruger Mini Thirty with a 5-round magazine, or a non-automatic civilian AK with a 5-round magazine.

It’s even less than that.

Just because you met an idiot in the woods, you want to ban an entire class of weapons based upon looks? Do you want to ban Corvettes when one races past you on the highway too? How about airplanes? They crash and kill hundreds of people at a time… we should ban those too, they are after all, pretty darn scary to many people.

This knee jerk reaction libtards have to ban everything under the sun the moment someone acts like an idiot is, well, idiocy itself. Military style semi-auto firearms account for less than 15% of the guns used in crime. If you want to ban something, go ban .22 handguns since they kill more people every year than AK’s do in this country. But it’s not about facts, the truth or even doing something beneficial for “the children”… as libtards often claim. No, it’s about political agenda’s and having your way, trying to get at the opposition in a political debate and using “slash and burn” tactics on our Constitution.

Grow up.

Arguing over a “type” of firearm is a pointless exercise. What defines a suitable “hunting” firearm is a matter of ballistics, not the color or material of the stock. To say any particular firearm should be banned from the hunting field because it is designed to kill people is very short sighted. Nearly every rifle I have in my collection was initially designed to kill people and I own some of the true classics. If you could try telling Parker Ackley that rifles designed to kill people should be banned from hunting he, being the solid down-to-earth fellow he was (and rebuilder of numerous ex-military firearms), would roast you.

The behaviour of people during the hunt depends on their integrity and brains, just as it does in any other human activity. If we want to see common-sense in the hunting field we should control hunters, not their firearms. To suggest anthing else is to put yourself in the position of anti-gunners in general with their dream that by banning guns they will succeed in controlling crime.

You are keep accusing me of liberalism. Because I do not conform to your ideas does not mean I am a leftist. What you are advocating can just as easily be described as fascist. If you knew me you would know I am not a leftist, but a minarchist. You can only go so far right before you are fascist.

Stupidity?!? I am not even going to touch that. You don’t know me, so don’t ever call me stupid.

If you think I am a radical because I understand and value my right to ensure freedom from tyranny, fine.

Maine has a magazine capacity limit for hunting, as do most other states. I have witnessed idiots blast through their 5 rounds as quickly as they could pull the trigger because they weer shooting a running deer. I hear several of these every deer season.

I am not infringing on anyone’s 1st amendment rights. Based on your response, I assume you do not own one of these firearms wither. Since when did hunting become combat?!?

All I ask is that you don’t tell me what to hunt with and I won’t tell you.

As for the “Those kind of rifles (AK’s and AR’s)are only made for one thing and thats to kill people.” The 30-06 was designed solely for military use, should we allow it? The Bolt action rifle was designed for killing people, should we allow it? Firearms were designed for warfare, should we allow them at all? How about bows, they were built to kill people, are they acceptable?

Finally, you guys don’t know what you are doing. This is how the VPC defines civilian sniper rifles which they want banned:
* a bolt action or semi-automatic
* having a two-stage trigger
* having a free-floated barrel
* having a”bull” or “target” barrel
* having a fluted barrel
This describes most target and varmint rifles, not mention many big game rifles.
Zumbolites such as yourself play right into their hands with your hunter elitism.