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	<title>Comments on: Language On N. Dakota Hunting Ban Initiative Troubling</title>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/08/27/language-on-n-dakota-hunting-ban-initiative-troubling/#comment-5419</link>
		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin, 

You are right. It will definitely infringe on property rights.  What galls me is that on their site they state that this does not affect bison.  So if you go by the Century Code definition to exlude bison, you cannot include farmed elk/privately owned deer by the Century Code definition either.  Then they go on to tell us that it does not affect the slaughter of these animals.  How does any man-made enclosure to prevent escape only include a high fence?  What about a squeeze shoot or a slaughterhouse? They also say that this measure will eliminate internet hunting of animals on game farms, the infamous Texas-style computer shooting at game RANCHES.  This does not even exist. This statement alone makes me question anything else they say!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin, </p>
<p>You are right. It will definitely infringe on property rights.  What galls me is that on their site they state that this does not affect bison.  So if you go by the Century Code definition to exlude bison, you cannot include farmed elk/privately owned deer by the Century Code definition either.  Then they go on to tell us that it does not affect the slaughter of these animals.  How does any man-made enclosure to prevent escape only include a high fence?  What about a squeeze shoot or a slaughterhouse? They also say that this measure will eliminate internet hunting of animals on game farms, the infamous Texas-style computer shooting at game RANCHES.  This does not even exist. This statement alone makes me question anything else they say!!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/08/27/language-on-n-dakota-hunting-ban-initiative-troubling/#comment-5418</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever &quot;this is about,&quot; it will infringe upon people&#039;s rights, and that is unamerican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever &#8220;this is about,&#8221; it will infringe upon people&#8217;s rights, and that is unamerican.</p>
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		<title>By: LT</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/08/27/language-on-n-dakota-hunting-ban-initiative-troubling/#comment-5417</link>
		<dc:creator>LT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elk are considered big game by the ND Century Code but this is what makes FARMED ELK not part of big game species:  According to ND Century Code &quot;Species&quot; is defined as a subspecies of wildlife, and &quot;wildlife&quot; excludes any domestic animals as defined by section 36-01-00.1 or birds or animals held in private ownership.  &quot;Domestic animals&quot; include dog, cat, horse, bovine animal, sheep, goat, bison, farmed elk, llama, alpaca or swine.  So just as bison are not big game,  farmed elk and privately owned deer are NOT big game species.  But if this gets into court, you can bet they will bend straight lines to include whatever they want, even BISON, and the SLAUGHTER of these animals, as this is about shutting game farms down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elk are considered big game by the ND Century Code but this is what makes FARMED ELK not part of big game species:  According to ND Century Code &#8220;Species&#8221; is defined as a subspecies of wildlife, and &#8220;wildlife&#8221; excludes any domestic animals as defined by section 36-01-00.1 or birds or animals held in private ownership.  &#8220;Domestic animals&#8221; include dog, cat, horse, bovine animal, sheep, goat, bison, farmed elk, llama, alpaca or swine.  So just as bison are not big game,  farmed elk and privately owned deer are NOT big game species.  But if this gets into court, you can bet they will bend straight lines to include whatever they want, even BISON, and the SLAUGHTER of these animals, as this is about shutting game farms down.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wrong erik. buffalo are not defined as big game in North Dakota.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wrong erik. buffalo are not defined as big game in North Dakota.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom:

Great work as usual.  Here are some other angles the antis could argue the proposed initiative includes.  As the bill is now written, a vet would not be allowed to euthanize private deer, elk, buffalo, or (drum roll please) a zoo animal.  Zoo animals could also be considered &quot;exotic mammals.&quot;

The North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase will say their proposed initiative does not include what I mentioned above.  But once approved and made state law, they will lose the ability to interpret the measure.  HSUS or Peta would certainly take the measure to the state&#039;s supreme court to argue the law includes what I mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom:</p>
<p>Great work as usual.  Here are some other angles the antis could argue the proposed initiative includes.  As the bill is now written, a vet would not be allowed to euthanize private deer, elk, buffalo, or (drum roll please) a zoo animal.  Zoo animals could also be considered &#8220;exotic mammals.&#8221;</p>
<p>The North Dakota Hunters for Fair Chase will say their proposed initiative does not include what I mentioned above.  But once approved and made state law, they will lose the ability to interpret the measure.  HSUS or Peta would certainly take the measure to the state&#8217;s supreme court to argue the law includes what I mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big game is defined in the North Dakota Century Code for the state of North Dakota. big game is inclusive/exclusive</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big game is defined in the North Dakota Century Code for the state of North Dakota. big game is inclusive/exclusive</p>
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