Comments on: One Pennsylvania Sportsman’s Group Still Trying To Stop Hunting Antlerless Deer

By: Denny

Denny — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:57:58 +0000

Tom says “you have outspoken individuals attempting to speak for all”.
As you can see, Tate is a very good example. He claims to be in the majority, obviously to give him the feeling of “fitting in” or rather to make everyone else appear to mimick his opinions. Take the name Denny for example; he doesn’t know me from the Pope, but yet in his mind I am the only Denny in the nation I guess, and also against this frivilous lawsuit.
Funny how it took his majority 6 months to find this site. I should also mention a survey on one of 2 sites these PUS (Pa Unified Sptsm.) have been relegated to, due to their limited cohorts; ask’s the question: “Do you agree with Unified’s lawsuit”
-No Way, I am tired of these guys
689 58%
Absolutely, it is about time someone stick up for hunters
418 35.2%
Yes, but scared about the can worms it may open
41 3.5%
Not real sure
39 3.3%

As you can see, nearly 2/3rds are opposed to the lawsuit, and this is from a site the Unified guys hang at!

As far as other sites, I guess by your twisted theory, not only is huntingpa run by the pgc, but bowsite, pabucks, huntingnet, wolftracks, pabackcountry, dr trout, etc are also predominatly anti lawsuit / PUS, so they must also be PGC controlled huh?

And for their membership numbers. That’s the biggest farce they have, well, besides their latest cougar hoax that is. They refuse to release their membership list for verification, but reputable sources and even former directors have said it’s much lower, and even an internal club memo had set their goal for the year at 5,000 members. That’s much lower than their various claims which are in the tens of thousands.

And now the lawsuit is at a standstill waiting on the PUS. This stagnant lawsuit has also held up the deer management audit that at one time the PUS said they were for.

And can’t you feel Tate’s love in his prior post number 13???

By: The game commission sucks!

The game commission sucks! — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:59:43 +0000

GO USP! God willing this lawsuit will bring about justice and end the reign of terror the antihunting ecoflake game commissions board majority have inflicted on our sport. You guys are in our prayers.

By: Tate

Tate — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:56:45 +0000

Tom, the majority have not “sat by quietly and watched”. Im sure you’ve heard of the Pa deer wars? Its well know what our hunters think of our gameless commission. There just isnt much we can do about it. Every possible course of action has been and is being used to no avail. They are a rogue independent agency that was set up with no form of effective check and balance system to prevent corruption. That was a HUGE mistake.

By: Tate

Tate — Wed, 19 Nov 2008 03:53:40 +0000

Denny is a “hard core” supporter and close friend of some PGC higher ups. His posts can be seen on huntingpa, a pgc run website. He is an ecoextremist.

While Im not a member, USP has 40,000 members. While They dont speak for me or any of the other huge majority of our sporting class who are not members and who absolutely have ZERO faith in the failed deer plan and the “ecoextreme” commissioners who have been appointed by members of “extreme conservationist” group members on the governors advisory board.

By: George

George — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:58:07 +0000

Denny, As a fellow PA outdoorsmen I agree with with your comments 100%. Funny how some of our more “Dutchified” fellow hunters are unable to move with the times and resist any change.
I am in no way faulting any of these people, just voicing my opinion on how complex the situation in PA is. How looking at the BIG PICTURE (instead of the narrow view held by some) can only help our sport in the future.

By: Tom Remington

Tom Remington — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:46:17 +0000

Denny – I think generally speaking that most hunters understand the demographics that make up many of our “clubs” across the country. All too often we only hear from a small minority and thus it seems they are the majority.

Unfortunately as well, hunting organizations mirror most on issues. On both and opposite sides you have outspoken individuals attempting to speak for all while the majority too often sit quietly by and watch. Can we change that?

By: Denny

Denny — Mon, 12 May 2008 17:36:44 +0000

I know this response is a bit late but I just ran across your blog. I just wanted to make something known to those readers and yourself outside of Pa that may not be up to speed on our outdoor sporting community.
The usp club is a small but vocal club who’s membership is somewhere between 600 and 2000 according to their membership guy. Though they continually like to pump that number up to give the impression they are the mainstream. And I’ve even seen them make the claim that they are the largest club in the state. Funny, and I think if that were true they’d be able to drum up way more than 1300 signatures for their lawsuit when we have just under a million hunters.
The truth is that there’s about 15 people who run this show and they don’t keep their members informed or even collect a consensus from them. This group will predictably place themselves opposite our wildlife agency and hunters, on 99% of the issues. They really do more harm than good. Some have even said they took money from hsus, though I don’t know that to be true. They make all kinds of wild claims but will dance around when ask to provide some sort of concrete evidence or science to support their claims.
My point is to please not get the impression that the majority of hunters in PA agree with this rogue group of so-called sportsmen. We really do care about the big picture, and not just about whether we easily get a deer or not.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:09:10 +0000

I’ve mentioned this before: many hunters in PA are upset because they used to see hundreds of deer. PA had an extreme overpopulation problem. Now that the herd is starting to balance out, deer are growing bigger. My guess would be that the guys who don’t see any deer anymore are either 1- exaggerating, or 2- not really hunting. They used to go for a walk and see tons, and going for a walk isn’t necessarily hunting…

By: Jack Ryan

Jack Ryan — Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:48:24 +0000

I am sure glad to be in Indiana.

We don’t have to buy any kind of permit at all to NOT shoot deer if we want to save them.

I have seen does all morning and bought a doe permit while we were gone to town for lunch. Nothing jinxes a season quicker than that.

By: Tom Remington

Tom Remington — Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:31:48 +0000

do you have a recipe for that? I’m not sure I’ve ever had antlerless permit before. Do you bake it or fry it. LOL

You know I’ve hunted deer in Maine for over 45 years and in Maine some places are hard pressed to have 6-8 deer per square mile. Maine has had the “buck only” law for at least 25 years. You can apply for an “any deer” permit, which also has been in affect for about the same length of time.

In that time I’ve never applied for an “anydeer” permit! But I can’t really give you any one or two reasons for that.

Maybe I’ve not been hungry enough to eat the paper.