Comments on: Save A Grizzly. Kill A Few Thousand Humans http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans Black Bear Blog - The Politics of Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors. Protecting our American Heritage. Fri, 25 May 2012 19:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/#comment-5933 Tom Remington Sun, 14 Oct 2007 12:53:05 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/#comment-5933 As was built into the ESA, when a population such as the grizzly bear reaches "recovered" numbers, then the bear should be removed from protection by the ESA in those areas and then properly managed and not over protected until there becomes a problem. Don't get you undies in too big wad here. As an education to people, whether hunters or not, as the bear continues to expand its range, people will find themselves living in grizzly bear country - something they may never have considered when they moved there. I am not suggesting we start killing off grizzly bears to prevent them from moving their range out beyond the Yellowstone area. What I am suggesting is that not that it is most certain to occur, hunters, guides, residents, basically everyone needs to be educated about what it's like to live in grizzly habitat. I'm also suggesting that overprotection, which leads to poor management, creates a myriad of problems as well and protecting the grizzly from hunting, once a sustainable population is reaches, is bad for many things including public support. After all, it's hard to drum up support to respect a grizzly once it's killed your favorite pet, friend, spouse or child. As was built into the ESA, when a population such as the grizzly bear reaches “recovered” numbers, then the bear should be removed from protection by the ESA in those areas and then properly managed and not over protected until there becomes a problem.

Don’t get you undies in too big wad here. As an education to people, whether hunters or not, as the bear continues to expand its range, people will find themselves living in grizzly bear country – something they may never have considered when they moved there.

I am not suggesting we start killing off grizzly bears to prevent them from moving their range out beyond the Yellowstone area.

What I am suggesting is that not that it is most certain to occur, hunters, guides, residents, basically everyone needs to be educated about what it’s like to live in grizzly habitat.

I’m also suggesting that overprotection, which leads to poor management, creates a myriad of problems as well and protecting the grizzly from hunting, once a sustainable population is reaches, is bad for many things including public support. After all, it’s hard to drum up support to respect a grizzly once it’s killed your favorite pet, friend, spouse or child.

]]> By: Steely http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/#comment-5932 Steely Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:46:49 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/#comment-5932 We should be attacking both. Hunting guides have a responsibility and an ethical commitment to ensure that whomever they have gathered funds from to maintain a thriving business is educated on even the smallest of bizarre possibilities. Especially in bear country. Given that the man was under his guidance to HUNT then , yes, the guide should be required to be within range of his customer, ESPECIALLY while that customer is hunting. That is what he is paid to do. There are tons of educational materials about bears sent specifically to outfitters such as this one, even in Idaho. Anything could suddenly arise and the outfitter should be well prepared. I am still trying to figure out why the Tennessee man even needed a guide if he was baiting bears. As you pointed out, baiting bears is quite easy, ask any dumpster in the North West. That's right, he needed the guide in case anything out of the ordinary that his client didn't know he could point out. He failed. I bet there are identification signs up now. Hmmm, I wonder who put them there? The Grizzly Bear in the lower 48 are rare. Stating that there are tons of Grizzlies in Alaska is misleading. Most of the bears in Alaska are the Grizzlies larger cousins, the Brown Bear. Those bears are well fed, fat and happy while the Grizzly not so much. It isn't about whether they are thriving elsewhere, it is about if they are thriving where they once were. Yes, their numbers are up, minus the several that were killed by careless bow hunters/hunters and careless non hunters (you need to adjust your hunter to bear ratio there). However after speaking to some black bear hunters, a few of them are frothing at the mouth till the ban on hunting Grizzly is lifted. Question for you: Do you think, as a hunter yourself, that there are enough Grizzly Bears in the lower 48 that the ban should be lifted? Just a question. "As the Grizzly Bear expands it's habitat, It will continue to create more and more bear/human conflicts." As the BEAR expands? You're kidding right? I think the over expansion here lies on all those "brainless" Americans you were talking about. We should be attacking both.
Hunting guides have a responsibility and an ethical commitment to ensure that whomever they have gathered funds from to maintain a thriving business is educated on even the smallest of bizarre possibilities. Especially in bear country. Given that the man was under his guidance to HUNT then , yes, the guide should be required to be within range of his customer, ESPECIALLY while that customer is hunting. That is what he is paid to do. There are tons of educational materials about bears sent specifically to outfitters such as this one, even in Idaho. Anything could suddenly arise and the outfitter should be well prepared.
I am still trying to figure out why the Tennessee man even needed a guide if he was baiting bears. As you pointed out, baiting bears is quite easy, ask any dumpster in the North West. That’s right, he needed the guide in case anything out of the ordinary that his client didn’t know he could point out. He failed. I bet there are identification signs up now. Hmmm, I wonder who put them there?
The Grizzly Bear in the lower 48 are rare. Stating that there are tons of Grizzlies in Alaska is misleading. Most of the bears in Alaska are the Grizzlies larger cousins, the Brown Bear. Those bears are well fed, fat and happy while the Grizzly not so much. It isn’t about whether they are thriving elsewhere, it is about if they are thriving where they once were. Yes, their numbers are up, minus the several that were killed by careless bow hunters/hunters and careless non hunters (you need to adjust your hunter to bear ratio there). However after speaking to some black bear hunters, a few of them are frothing at the mouth till the ban on hunting Grizzly is lifted. Question for you: Do you think, as a hunter yourself, that there are enough Grizzly Bears in the lower 48 that the ban should be lifted? Just a question.
“As the Grizzly Bear expands it’s habitat, It will continue to create more and more bear/human conflicts.” As the BEAR expands? You’re kidding right? I think the over expansion here lies on all those “brainless” Americans you were talking about.

]]> By: Kristine Shreve http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/#comment-5931 Kristine Shreve Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:37:26 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/10/10/save-a-grizzly-kill-a-few-thousand-humans/#comment-5931 I think it a lot of this type of stuff comes back to Disney created cute animal cartoons which allow people to think that animals have the same thought processes and feelings as humans. Wild animals don't. Grizzly bears are predators. If a human happens to be the prey in their way, they'll attack, because that is their nature. To think anything else is just silly. I think it a lot of this type of stuff comes back to Disney created cute animal cartoons which allow people to think that animals have the same thought processes and feelings as humans. Wild animals don’t. Grizzly bears are predators. If a human happens to be the prey in their way, they’ll attack, because that is their nature. To think anything else is just silly.

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