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		<title>By: Nick E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 00:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I suppose because I come from a country (Great Britain) where we don&#039;t have a formally written constitution it seems odd to have something in writing like it. I wont pretend that the version of democracy we have here is particularly better than what you have in the USA but I don&#039;t feel a lack of a written constitution in any way. I suppose its whatever you are used to. The one bad thing I do think having a written constitution does, is it allows people to have endless arguments about what it may or may not mean and a great deal of lawyers to make a great deal of money off the back of this debate. Perhaps this explains why America has a higher percentage of lawyers per capita than any other country on Earth ? 

Re what Philip says about &quot;become tyranny of the masses&quot; this is one of the things I think both our countries have become guilty of, with the media setting the political agenda and politicians basing their policies not on what they think is right, but on what the opinion polls say will get them elected. Or am I just being cynical ?

Coming back to the gun debate however, one question that has always bugged me is why Canada has such a low level of gun deaths compared to USA ?  Is it true they dont allow people to own hand guns but allow rifles etc without toomuch trouble ?  Surely that would satisfy the right to bear arms ?   As an ex soldier I know if it came to defending my property and family with a gun I would rather have a 12 gauge shotgun than any hand gun !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I suppose because I come from a country (Great Britain) where we don&#8217;t have a formally written constitution it seems odd to have something in writing like it. I wont pretend that the version of democracy we have here is particularly better than what you have in the USA but I don&#8217;t feel a lack of a written constitution in any way. I suppose its whatever you are used to. The one bad thing I do think having a written constitution does, is it allows people to have endless arguments about what it may or may not mean and a great deal of lawyers to make a great deal of money off the back of this debate. Perhaps this explains why America has a higher percentage of lawyers per capita than any other country on Earth ? </p>
<p>Re what Philip says about &#8220;become tyranny of the masses&#8221; this is one of the things I think both our countries have become guilty of, with the media setting the political agenda and politicians basing their policies not on what they think is right, but on what the opinion polls say will get them elected. Or am I just being cynical ?</p>
<p>Coming back to the gun debate however, one question that has always bugged me is why Canada has such a low level of gun deaths compared to USA ?  Is it true they dont allow people to own hand guns but allow rifles etc without toomuch trouble ?  Surely that would satisfy the right to bear arms ?   As an ex soldier I know if it came to defending my property and family with a gun I would rather have a 12 gauge shotgun than any hand gun !</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the questions facing the Second Amendment today are so much about grammar or syntax as they are of history and socio-political evolution.  The language is not especially confusing.  It is the interpretation of that language against modern, social mores.  It is a loss of context, as our country has become rich and complacent, safe behind the cushion of centuries since we were truly threatened by tyranny.      

It doesn&#039;t take multiple PhDs in history, sociology, and political science to understand where the 2nd Amendment came from... it was born of the fear of another government army enforcing tyrannical rule over The People.  The fear of a standing army, and of a people disarmed and unable to defend itself drove the founders to draft this piece of work into the document that was to shape our country into the bastion of freedom and self-sufficiency that it became.  The Government should fear the People, not the other way around.

The argument that folks like Nick put forth sounds logical at first, but it holds that the Constitution has become less relevant over time, and that the assurances of freedoms it provides are either no longer necessary or no longer valid.  Nick captures that very well with the following, ironic statement:  

&quot;On another point, however, why should current Americans be held to account by a document written hundreds of years ago in a different time, with different conditions. Surely what is more important is what the majority of the population want right now, thats called Democracy isnt it ?&quot;

In an ideal world, what Nick describes may be &quot;true democracy&quot;, but in reality it would quickly become tyranny of the masses.  Following the &quot;majority rules&quot; policy we would quickly lose the INDIVIDUAL freedoms guaranteed by the constitution... freedoms of religion, speech, the press, and yes... the freedom to protect ourselves through strength of arms.  

At the same time that the Constitution itself was being drafted, Thomas Jefferson warned against putting too much power into the hands of the uneducated masses, because they simply are not prepared to make appropriate decisions.  The masses are too easily led astray, whipped into a frenzy by skilled manipulators to work any number of wicked errands.  

The Constitution is still extremely relevant because it helps to counter that threat.  It serves to constrain the uneducated masses, the majority rule, so that the freedoms that made this country great are not trampled by short-term expediencies.  This is why we don&#039;t have a State Religion.  It&#039;s why we don&#039;t have a State-run Press.  

Every part of the Constitution is critical to the American way of life, and if we begin to dissect any single part, if we pare away at the Amendments, then the whole thing becomes meaningless.  It is about Essential Liberties, without which we are not, truly, a Free Nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the questions facing the Second Amendment today are so much about grammar or syntax as they are of history and socio-political evolution.  The language is not especially confusing.  It is the interpretation of that language against modern, social mores.  It is a loss of context, as our country has become rich and complacent, safe behind the cushion of centuries since we were truly threatened by tyranny.      </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take multiple PhDs in history, sociology, and political science to understand where the 2nd Amendment came from&#8230; it was born of the fear of another government army enforcing tyrannical rule over The People.  The fear of a standing army, and of a people disarmed and unable to defend itself drove the founders to draft this piece of work into the document that was to shape our country into the bastion of freedom and self-sufficiency that it became.  The Government should fear the People, not the other way around.</p>
<p>The argument that folks like Nick put forth sounds logical at first, but it holds that the Constitution has become less relevant over time, and that the assurances of freedoms it provides are either no longer necessary or no longer valid.  Nick captures that very well with the following, ironic statement:  </p>
<p>&#8220;On another point, however, why should current Americans be held to account by a document written hundreds of years ago in a different time, with different conditions. Surely what is more important is what the majority of the population want right now, thats called Democracy isnt it ?&#8221;</p>
<p>In an ideal world, what Nick describes may be &#8220;true democracy&#8221;, but in reality it would quickly become tyranny of the masses.  Following the &#8220;majority rules&#8221; policy we would quickly lose the INDIVIDUAL freedoms guaranteed by the constitution&#8230; freedoms of religion, speech, the press, and yes&#8230; the freedom to protect ourselves through strength of arms.  </p>
<p>At the same time that the Constitution itself was being drafted, Thomas Jefferson warned against putting too much power into the hands of the uneducated masses, because they simply are not prepared to make appropriate decisions.  The masses are too easily led astray, whipped into a frenzy by skilled manipulators to work any number of wicked errands.  </p>
<p>The Constitution is still extremely relevant because it helps to counter that threat.  It serves to constrain the uneducated masses, the majority rule, so that the freedoms that made this country great are not trampled by short-term expediencies.  This is why we don&#8217;t have a State Religion.  It&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t have a State-run Press.  </p>
<p>Every part of the Constitution is critical to the American way of life, and if we begin to dissect any single part, if we pare away at the Amendments, then the whole thing becomes meaningless.  It is about Essential Liberties, without which we are not, truly, a Free Nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - Your point of view is not one that hasn&#039;t been espoused many times before. Also, your perspective on the view of the Constitution is one that falls in line with the same progressive nature of Americans today. 
We have gotten away from the basics of our Constitution in order to live our progressive lifestyles. History has shown that such democracies fail much beyond 200 years for the same reason - casting aside the Constitution in order to satisfy the whims of the people.
The leadership of this country has to be one grounded firmly in the documents that made this country great. The farther we get away from that, the closer we are to peril.
Our constitution can be likened to the moral beliefs of a parent. If you think that lying is wrong, then it is important that you hold fast to the truth that all lying is wrong. When we begin to promote that certain kinds of lying are acceptable, history is doomed to repeat itself.
Personally, I believe the U.S. Constitution is a document that was inspired by God and therefore I believe that it is a document that will bind this country together forever and will be pleasing in the eyes of God.
Didn&#039;t mean to get off on a religious rant here, but as you can see, with weak leadership too many people have grown up believing that the constitution is nothing more than a guideline for us to use and that the most of it is old and out of style.....except for those parts we want to keep because they fit our personal needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; Your point of view is not one that hasn&#8217;t been espoused many times before. Also, your perspective on the view of the Constitution is one that falls in line with the same progressive nature of Americans today.<br />
We have gotten away from the basics of our Constitution in order to live our progressive lifestyles. History has shown that such democracies fail much beyond 200 years for the same reason &#8211; casting aside the Constitution in order to satisfy the whims of the people.<br />
The leadership of this country has to be one grounded firmly in the documents that made this country great. The farther we get away from that, the closer we are to peril.<br />
Our constitution can be likened to the moral beliefs of a parent. If you think that lying is wrong, then it is important that you hold fast to the truth that all lying is wrong. When we begin to promote that certain kinds of lying are acceptable, history is doomed to repeat itself.<br />
Personally, I believe the U.S. Constitution is a document that was inspired by God and therefore I believe that it is a document that will bind this country together forever and will be pleasing in the eyes of God.<br />
Didn&#8217;t mean to get off on a religious rant here, but as you can see, with weak leadership too many people have grown up believing that the constitution is nothing more than a guideline for us to use and that the most of it is old and out of style&#8230;..except for those parts we want to keep because they fit our personal needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know not being an American probably will get me a &quot;shut up&quot; about this subject but when I read the relevant passage ie â€œA well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.â€ what it says to me is that Americans should not have the right to own guns taken away from them so that they can form a militia in times of national crisis. This to me means that you should have the right to own a gun if you are in the National Guard or some such organisation. It doesn&#039;t mean lone individuals should have the right. Just an observation. On another point, however, why should current Americans be held to account by a document written hundreds of years ago in a different time, with different conditions. Surely what is more important is what the majority of the population want right now, thats called Democracy isnt it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know not being an American probably will get me a &#8220;shut up&#8221; about this subject but when I read the relevant passage ie â€œA well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.â€ what it says to me is that Americans should not have the right to own guns taken away from them so that they can form a militia in times of national crisis. This to me means that you should have the right to own a gun if you are in the National Guard or some such organisation. It doesn&#8217;t mean lone individuals should have the right. Just an observation. On another point, however, why should current Americans be held to account by a document written hundreds of years ago in a different time, with different conditions. Surely what is more important is what the majority of the population want right now, thats called Democracy isnt it ?</p>
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