Comments on: Is Hunting And Consuming Game Now Being Considered Eco-Friendly? http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly Black Bear Blog - The Politics of Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors. Protecting our American Heritage. Fri, 25 May 2012 20:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Greg Farber http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6551 Greg Farber Fri, 08 Aug 2008 13:02:17 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6551 Funny how true earthers have used the earth and understood the value of game from the forest, roots, herbs, plants, and managed the earth for all these hundreds of years only to wake up one day to meet new earthers claiming the real earther is destroying the earth, all these greenies eating greens, protecting wolves, and driving electric cars made out of plastic, you know oil. Funny. I have spent a lifetime living like this yet get called a six-toed killer neanderthall red-neck eco terrorist. funny. Anna, hunting is a skill, you need a hunter to teach you hunting ethics and proper methods of take, so it is a clean kill and you learn to use all of the animals materials the animal provided you with once taken, Im a pro, please send a picture before meeting so I can decide if I want to teach you to hunt. Just kidding. Find a teacher. Funny how true earthers have used the earth and understood the value of game from the forest, roots, herbs, plants, and managed the earth for all these hundreds of years only to wake up one day to meet new earthers claiming the real earther is destroying the earth, all these greenies eating greens, protecting wolves, and driving electric cars made out of plastic, you know oil. Funny. I have spent a lifetime living like this yet get called a six-toed killer neanderthall red-neck eco terrorist. funny.

Anna, hunting is a skill, you need a hunter to teach you hunting ethics and proper methods of take, so it is a clean kill and you learn to use all of the animals materials the animal provided you with once taken, Im a pro, please send a picture before meeting so I can decide if I want to teach you to hunt.

Just kidding. Find a teacher.

]]> By: Anna http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6550 Anna Fri, 08 Aug 2008 04:10:44 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6550 Where can I find information on how to hunt? I am one of the newly-converted that you talk about in this article. I grew up thinking that killing was wrong and even became vegetarian. I found out that I'd been snowed, though. All living takes life. The harvesting of soybeans (which get turned into fake food with probably no food value) kills many more animals than the one pastured cow that could feed an entire family for a season. Going even further than that, I realized that if I was going to acknowledge that living takes life, I should probably take responsibility for that and find out if I can do the killing myself. Eating locally "grown" animals that have not even been raised in captivity sounds so much better to me than eating animals that have lived in their own shit their entire, miserable lives. The economic aspects of hunting appeal to me, too. All this is theory and imagination, though. How can a former veggie, earth-alien like me go about learning how to hunt? I feel like I'll need an interpreter and guide. I don't even know where to look for the maps! Please do email me if you have any ideas. I can help you start this infiltration into crunchy hippie land! Where can I find information on how to hunt?

I am one of the newly-converted that you talk about in this article. I grew up thinking that killing was wrong and even became vegetarian.

I found out that I’d been snowed, though. All living takes life. The harvesting of soybeans (which get turned into fake food with probably no food value) kills many more animals than the one pastured cow that could feed an entire family for a season.

Going even further than that, I realized that if I was going to acknowledge that living takes life, I should probably take responsibility for that and find out if I can do the killing myself. Eating locally “grown” animals that have not even been raised in captivity sounds so much better to me than eating animals that have lived in their own shit their entire, miserable lives. The economic aspects of hunting appeal to me, too.

All this is theory and imagination, though. How can a former veggie, earth-alien like me go about learning how to hunt? I feel like I’ll need an interpreter and guide. I don’t even know where to look for the maps! Please do email me if you have any ideas. I can help you start this infiltration into crunchy hippie land!

]]> By: jes http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6548 jes Fri, 30 May 2008 00:34:09 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6548 In defence of Tom,(as if he needed defending). You're the one who wants to put him on the defence. He's talking in a non-serious way to people who understand what hunting is all about, and has to temper what he says to those who are quick to take offence, namely you, and others who put down hunting whatever the reasons, mostly idiotic and psycho emotional. You talk of hunting for valid reasons: food. And non-valid reasons: trophys. Let me talk subjectively of my own reasons and perhaps you can understand that better than a scientific reason which you have already read, if you read the whole blog. First of all, since you have never hunted, you are jumping the gun on understanding something which is not only a sport (something we enjoy doing, which involves physical exercise), but a way of life, an attitude toward life which is different from one hunter to the next. Some like the competition, some like the solitude, some like the results (food), and some like all three. And I have never known any hunter, even poachers, who hunted strictly for food. They could always buy something from the market for less effort, if that was their intention. As far as trophy hunting goes, something you are so set against, even though you have no valid reason to be, since you consider the killing and pleasure of killing to be worthy of condemnation...you might think of many predators, esp. cats and wolves who like the play of killing at times as much as the necessity of it. Now man is an animal too, and even though he manages to utilize and not waste his resources, he still has animal natures, and the trophy concept probably relates to simple competetion and king of the hill mentality, which without, there would be little motivation in many other areas of life. "That nasty old male mystic", which women have too, is ok with me, since I share the human stain, myself. Is killing just for fun. NO, but I can remember as a boy when it was. And I can still remember the sorrow of making a kill as well. But we grow beyond boys and girls, and then maybe we understand that there is more to life than meets the eye, and more mysteries there than we can understand. And maybe, if we're lucky, we find some things in life we really love, and where we "fit", and maybe that helps you to understand what will only be understood by doing. Get somebody to take you hunting! Maybe even take a "trophy" yourself! You might like it more than you would expect! In defence of Tom,(as if he needed defending). You’re the one who wants to put him on the defence. He’s talking in a non-serious way to people who understand what hunting is all about, and has to temper what he says to those who are quick to take offence, namely you, and others who put down hunting whatever the reasons, mostly idiotic and psycho emotional.
You talk of hunting for valid reasons: food. And non-valid reasons: trophys. Let me talk subjectively of my own reasons and perhaps you can understand that better than a scientific reason which you have already read, if you read the whole blog.
First of all, since you have never hunted, you are jumping the gun on understanding something which is not only a sport (something we enjoy doing, which involves physical exercise), but a way of life, an attitude toward life which is different from one hunter to the next. Some like the competition, some like the solitude, some like the results (food), and some like all three. And I have never known any hunter, even poachers, who hunted strictly for food. They could always buy something from the market for less effort, if that was their intention.
As far as trophy hunting goes, something you are so set against, even though you have no valid reason to be, since you consider the killing and pleasure of killing to be worthy of condemnation…you might think of many predators, esp. cats and wolves who like the play of killing at times as much as the necessity of it. Now man is an animal too, and even though he manages to utilize and not waste his resources, he still has animal natures, and the trophy concept probably relates to simple competetion and king of the hill mentality, which without, there would be little motivation in many other areas of life. “That nasty old male mystic”, which women have too, is ok with me, since I share the human stain, myself.
Is killing just for fun. NO, but I can remember as a boy when it was. And I can still remember the sorrow of making a kill as well. But we grow beyond boys and girls, and then maybe we understand that there is more to life than meets the eye, and more mysteries there than we can understand. And maybe, if we’re lucky, we find some things in life we really love, and where we “fit”, and maybe that helps you to understand what will only be understood by doing.
Get somebody to take you hunting! Maybe even take a “trophy” yourself! You might like it more than you would expect!

]]> By: Alleen http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6547 Alleen Thu, 29 May 2008 20:18:49 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6547 Tom: Shelly's comments were interesting. And I don't think she took your snarky comments out of context. She was fair and you were defensive. You can't just say, "don't take me too seriously" when you don't like how your own words sound to others who read them. Hunters who go for trophies (like bear) and not for food -- will always be on the defensive when what they "enjoy" is killing wild animals for their own entertainment. You have to admit there is something skeevy about killing for fun. You're right -- they're always coming up with justifications to make it seem less repellant, more noble. I'm all for the hunting and fishing for food however, and would love to catch a local trout or bag a turkey near my place. Not because it's fun to do, but because I want to eat it. I don't need to buy $5000 worth of gear, dress up in special outfits, subscribe to magazines and get all hyperventilated with excitement to do it either. There are so many turkeys around here I have to hit the brakes to avoid having to pay the tag fee. But it annoys me that my state sells our otters, bobcats, bears, etc. to my neighbors so they can get their jollies killing them. If they take a deer, process it and eat it I don't care. Venison for all! But eating is not the main goal is it? We all know that. People who hunt to eat know they are no more "sportsman" than hog butchers are. If you really want to be pals with the environmentalists start aiming at invasive species like those asian carp or over abundant species like Canada Geese. No? Not interested? Right...gotta get a BEAR!!! Big fangs! Big claws. Scary. And you killed it. Hurrah! Tom:

Shelly’s comments were interesting. And I don’t think she took your snarky comments out of context. She was fair and you were defensive. You can’t just say, “don’t take me too seriously” when you don’t like how your own words sound to others who read them.

Hunters who go for trophies (like bear) and not for food — will always be on the defensive when what they “enjoy” is killing wild animals for their own entertainment. You have to admit there is something skeevy about killing for fun. You’re right — they’re always coming up with justifications to make it seem less repellant, more noble. I’m all for the hunting and fishing for food however, and would love to catch a local trout or bag a turkey near my place. Not because it’s fun to do, but because I want to eat it. I don’t need to buy $5000 worth of gear, dress up in special outfits, subscribe to magazines and get all hyperventilated with excitement to do it either. There are so many turkeys around here I have to hit the brakes to avoid having to pay the tag fee.

But it annoys me that my state sells our otters, bobcats, bears, etc. to my neighbors so they can get their jollies killing them. If they take a deer, process it and eat it I don’t care. Venison for all! But eating is not the main goal is it? We all know that. People who hunt to eat know they are no more “sportsman” than hog butchers are. If you really want to be pals with the environmentalists start aiming at invasive species like those asian carp or over abundant species like Canada Geese. No? Not interested? Right…gotta get a BEAR!!! Big fangs! Big claws. Scary. And you killed it. Hurrah!

]]> By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6546 Tom Remington Fri, 09 May 2008 12:04:30 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6546 I think you are taking my comment about joining up with the greens a little too seriously and a bit out of context. It was meant more of a light addition to the story however, you also, from reading just this one post, no probably little about all the other thousands of posts I have made that would clearly point out that I, like millions of other hunters, are real conservationists. We work very hard to protect our natural resources. I cannot begin to list all the "green" projects I have been involved in over the years. It is unfortunate that too many people think that because hunters "consume" we are against preserving our environment, including wildlife. If find you comments interesting in that you assume I/we can't get along with the greenies. On the contrary. The only time I/we can't get along with environmentalists and/or animal rights groups is when they begin actively working to take away what we enjoy. Please don't turn this around and make it seem that hunters, fishermen, etc. are the ones who are intolerant of others. Not the case. I think you are taking my comment about joining up with the greens a little too seriously and a bit out of context. It was meant more of a light addition to the story however, you also, from reading just this one post, no probably little about all the other thousands of posts I have made that would clearly point out that I, like millions of other hunters, are real conservationists. We work very hard to protect our natural resources.

I cannot begin to list all the “green” projects I have been involved in over the years. It is unfortunate that too many people think that because hunters “consume” we are against preserving our environment, including wildlife.

If find you comments interesting in that you assume I/we can’t get along with the greenies. On the contrary. The only time I/we can’t get along with environmentalists and/or animal rights groups is when they begin actively working to take away what we enjoy.

Please don’t turn this around and make it seem that hunters, fishermen, etc. are the ones who are intolerant of others. Not the case.

]]> By: Shelly http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6545 Shelly Fri, 09 May 2008 10:41:58 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6545 I am not against hunting, fishing, etc. I know quite a few people who love to talk about how they about vegetarian or even vegan. I, personally, eat meat, fish, etc but from stores and particular farmers who are vendors at our farmers market. This is because I don't know how to hunt and don't want to go alone. I don't tell people who say they are vegetarians that they should eat meat because they don't tell me that I should not. When they say, "I'm a vegetarian.", I just say, "oh, OK." I am not exactly a Democrat but I do consider myself an environmentalist because I want to help protect our fragile ecosystem that takes care of us. I see eye to eye with you on the need to hunt and enjoying the outdoors. What I don't understand is, if you care so much about retaining the right to hunt, instead of simply getting your meat from a facotry farm, something I strongly agree with, then why do so many of you have so much animostiy towards what you call "tree huggers"? Can't we say we are on the same side of the argument here and work together on things? I include you personally into this factor because you state in your blog, "Before you think I have gone green and taken up companionshipe with the earth people, relax...." Boy! There are so many things I have to say about that one little statement! I work side by side with people who refuse to eat meat and we work to preserve the habitat of the deer that you hunt. Some of the people who hunt do not try half as hard as some of my vegetarian friends to protect nature, although they love to go hunting and fishing. When I ask these people I know who hunt and fish if they are worried about harmful mercury levels being in their fish, they simply say that it's nothing to worry about. Why does it have to be you against us? And what is this statement about "earth people"? That sounds as if you are from another planet. LOL I would like to think you love spending time on the earth too. Wouldn't someone who hunts and fishes, want to be green and protect the habitat in which he hunts? And yes, anyone who reads this can email me any time. Nothinglikeamomslove@yahoo.com I am not against hunting, fishing, etc. I know quite a few people who love to talk about how they about vegetarian or even vegan. I, personally, eat meat, fish, etc but from stores and particular farmers who are vendors at our farmers market. This is because I don’t know how to hunt and don’t want to go alone.

I don’t tell people who say they are vegetarians that they should eat meat because they don’t tell me that I should not. When they say, “I’m a vegetarian.”, I just say, “oh, OK.”

I am not exactly a Democrat but I do consider myself an environmentalist because I want to help protect our fragile ecosystem that takes care of us.

I see eye to eye with you on the need to hunt and enjoying the outdoors. What I don’t understand is, if you care so much about retaining the right to hunt, instead of simply getting your meat from a facotry farm, something I strongly agree with, then why do so many of you have so much animostiy towards what you call “tree huggers”? Can’t we say we are on the same side of the argument here and work together on things?

I include you personally into this factor because you state in your blog, “Before you think I have gone green and taken up companionshipe with the earth people, relax….”

Boy! There are so many things I have to say about that one little statement! I work side by side with people who refuse to eat meat and we work to preserve the habitat of the deer that you hunt. Some of the people who hunt do not try half as hard as some of my vegetarian friends to protect nature, although they love to go hunting and fishing. When I ask these people I know who hunt and fish if they are worried about harmful mercury levels being in their fish, they simply say that it’s nothing to worry about.

Why does it have to be you against us? And what is this statement about “earth people”? That sounds as if you are from another planet. LOL I would like to think you love spending time on the earth too. Wouldn’t someone who hunts and fishes, want to be green and protect the habitat in which he hunts?

And yes, anyone who reads this can email me any time. Nothinglikeamomslove@yahoo.com

]]> By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6542 Tom Remington Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:59:17 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6542 No Grinch here.....well, I don't think but don't hold your breath that my blood will begin flowing green either. Actually, I'm for some green, after all, my front lawn looks much better with a deep dark green hue to it. Going green can get a little ridiculous though. I'm thrilled that people are becoming educated as to what hunting really is, which is more than killing. I'll count on you to lead the hunter's green movement Bryan OK? LOL No Grinch here…..well, I don’t think but don’t hold your breath that my blood will begin flowing green either.
Actually, I’m for some green, after all, my front lawn looks much better with a deep dark green hue to it. Going green can get a little ridiculous though.
I’m thrilled that people are becoming educated as to what hunting really is, which is more than killing.
I’ll count on you to lead the hunter’s green movement Bryan OK? LOL

]]> By: deerPhD http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6541 deerPhD Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:03:46 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6541 Uh oh Tom, either you're dressed up as the grinch or there is a little green showing through! I think that as hunters, we really need to sell adopt this idea and join forces with groups like those you mention. I wrote a post a while back about sharing venison with others on a "Free-Range Taco Night". I think the notion of 'buying locally' may gain more momentum over the next decade or so, and hunters can fit right into that discussion. Green can be a very good thing! Uh oh Tom, either you’re dressed up as the grinch or there is a little green showing through! I think that as hunters, we really need to sell adopt this idea and join forces with groups like those you mention. I wrote a post a while back about sharing venison with others on a “Free-Range Taco Night”. I think the notion of ‘buying locally’ may gain more momentum over the next decade or so, and hunters can fit right into that discussion. Green can be a very good thing!

]]> By: John Porter http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6540 John Porter Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:31:58 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2007/12/14/is-hunting-and-consuming-game-now-being-considered-eco-friendly/#comment-6540 Being one who has been living the self sufficient(meaning growing,raising or harvesting) life for sometime now. I am glad that more city folks are seeing the outdoorsman way of life as being okay. The part about eating only what is grown within a certain distance of your area is an excellent idea. Take honey for instance, if you eat a honey from another state--it won't have the same nutritional value as honey found from your area. Farm raised or organic vegetables are much more nutritional then store bought veggies. Most people don't know about green picked vegetables. This is when the veggie is picked before it is allowed to ripen, then they gas it to make it look ripe. Another interesting fact is most vine raised vegetable has no nutritional value until the last 48-72 hours before it becomes fully ripe. If tomatoes have no scars, bug marks and are the same size in a package, rest assure it has been green picked and gased to look ripe. Being one who has been living the self sufficient(meaning growing,raising or harvesting) life for sometime now. I am glad that more city folks are seeing the outdoorsman way of life as being okay. The part about eating only what is grown within a certain distance of your area is an excellent idea. Take honey for instance, if you eat a honey from another state–it won’t have the same nutritional value as honey found from your area. Farm raised or organic vegetables are much more nutritional then store bought veggies. Most people don’t know about green picked vegetables. This is when the veggie is picked before it is allowed to ripen, then they gas it to make it look ripe. Another interesting fact is most vine raised vegetable has no nutritional value until the last 48-72 hours before it becomes fully ripe. If tomatoes have no scars, bug marks and are the same size in a package, rest assure it has been green picked and gased to look ripe.

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