I have a friend with a big fishing boat saying its bunkum, I have a friend in the meat and fish business saying its bunkum, and his contacts say its bunkum. Flip I live 700 miles inland from that coast. And those scientists do what those officials that hire them tell them to do. Kinda Al Gores bought off science about “Global Warming”. The fisherie could be over fished and then we could be getting a tall tale as well. Either way I trust the men in the boats over the men in the suits, you do what you want.

If you new about fisheries management, you know that is not a scheme by “officials” it is science. The world’s fisheries are being exploited at or above their sustainable capacity. When you over fish, you get catastrophic fisheries collapses like in the pacific.

Exactly right. The wolf has been a tool from day one. Now just think ahead a bit more, the financial world we all know is unwinding, This fiat money system (fake) is crashing by intent. This was the objective of the 1913 creation of the European privately owned not federal at all reserve bank. Objective take down a sovereign republic. They have done it. The entitlement bomb including the $9trillion deficit the government shows is now $153 trillion as of the second quarter of 2007, in 1998 it was $33 trillion. The idiots are still lending as fast as they can, or maybe idiots are still borrowing as fast as they can, the bottom line is our public and private land is the collateral for this loan, every American is accountable, “OUR” government went along with this scheme from day one. Foreclosure will be very ugly, when the fiat debt notes which were never real money and are nearly worthless right now crash for good, guess what, no food at the market, soldiers standing guard at gas stations, I wonder how long it will be before mad people want to kill my horses for meat, No elk or deer in the hills, It wil not take long for existing cattle to be plundered, how hungry will a man get before he trades in his gun to feed his family? What else will starving and sick of chaos Americans surrender ? We got this new idea for you people, a north american union jioning Canada/America/Mexico/South America into one nation, Oh and here is some new paper, like in 1929 we will give you 10 cents on the dollar, you gotta pay us rent, you can eat, no guns, we own it all, now shut up. And isn’t just convienient that fishing off the Oregon coast has been shut down, last year we had 1.5 million salmon out there according to “officials” now we got 35,000 salmon out there and fishing has been halted, according to “officials.” Just a prediction, we’ll see the reality of it all soon. Just like they knew those wolves would wipe out our game, I knew it from day one.

I became more interested and started reading more 2 years ago. I live an hour from the East Gate of Yellowstone so I spend a lot of time in the park. I haven’t seen a group of cow elk with more than one calf in 3 years when 10 years ago they were everywhere.

I guided elk hunters in the Absorka-Beartooth Wilderness in the headwaters of Hell Roaring Creek north of the Park. Historically it was some of the best elk hunting to be found anywhere. 2002 was my last season. We had 21 hunters in September and took 1 bull on opening day and did not see another elk of any kind for the remaining 3 weeks.

The unfortunate part of this all is that due to the Federal District Court decision, the pro-wolf lobby will likely get its injunction. IN the ensuing legal battle which will likely take several years, the wolf will have completed it’s objective. WY G&F published a study last fall that indicated 4 of our elk herds are in serious trouble NOW. By the time the legalities are done, these herds will be gone and more herds will be in trouble.

Some group will file and win a suit to list the Rocky Mountain supspeies as “threatend” and sport hunting will be stopped by injunction. Just a prediction. We’ll see the reality all too soon.

Organizatins like the NRA and Gun Owners of America that defend our 2nd Ammendment rights rely HEAVILY on donations from sport hunters. As we saw with the Brady bill, the definitions of what weapons and/or weapon features were to be banned were discuss and very much based on what people “needed” for “legitimate” sporting uses.

Charles Orasin Formerly of Handgun Control, Inc. then Defenders of Wildlife) beat his head against the Constitutional wall for 15 years. It’s not about what the “framers” might have meant in every syllable. Inside the Beltway, NOTHING is about the Constitution. It’s about what you can get away with. What resources you have to support your position vs your opposition.

You look at the money pulled in by the NRA and GOA vs. Handgun Control, Inc (now The Brady Campaign). The various pro-wolf organizations pull in 15 times more each year than the anti-gun lobby. I believe Mr. Orasin saw the strategic light. The only way to get at the 2nd Ammendment is to disable his opposition by undermining their financial base.

There stands now, a web of legal precedent regarding the protection of large predators, that properly managed could end sport hunting of all ungulate species in the Rocky Mountain states, and wherever wolves might be reintroduced in the future. Whether Defenders of Wildlife and their ilk accomplished this intentionally, who is to say. It is, however, terribly convenient for them.

Until everyone in the sport hunting community understands that there is, in fact, a direct, practical link between sport hunting and the effective DEFENSE of the 2nd Ammendment, we are in real trouble.

Even if there is no huge “conspiracy”, there are 11 organizations joined in the suit to re-list wolves. The top executives of those companies pull in milions in salaries, perks and benfits. What is left of the doantions go to fundraising firms and legal firms. (IRS Forms 990 are in the public domain, look it up)

Wolves are no longer endangered, but should wolves remain delisted some pretty lavish lifestyles are in danger. For more than a decade the wolf and the grizzly have been the “cash cow” product of these organizations. Delisting is the fiscal equivalent to them of telling Ford they can no longer sell pickup trucks.

Consider the NRA and other pro-gun lobbyists as the moat around the 2nd Ammendment. The anti-gun folks are getting smarter. They aren’t shooting at the castle again until they drain the water.