Comments on: The Feds “Flawed Research” To Determine Polar Bear Future http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future Black Bear Blog - The Politics of Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors. Protecting our American Heritage. Fri, 25 May 2012 22:48:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8695 Tom Remington Mon, 12 May 2008 14:39:26 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8695 Thanks for that explanation George! For a minute there, I thought you were a goner! Thanks for that explanation George! For a minute there, I thought you were a goner!

]]> By: George http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8694 George Mon, 12 May 2008 14:19:28 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8694 I didn't sign the above! I disagree with their logic anyway. Just came across this link in my inbox and sent it along to see if we can generate any more comments on either side. I didn’t sign the above! I disagree with their logic anyway. Just came across this link in my inbox and sent it along to see if we can generate any more comments on either side.

]]> By: George http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8693 George Mon, 12 May 2008 13:28:55 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8693 Just in case your interested. You only have 2 days left! http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/2167/t/5243/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=1200 Just in case your interested. You only have 2 days left!

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]]> By: ar http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8692 ar Thu, 08 May 2008 21:37:28 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8692 I'm surprised someone hasn't sued the entire lot of 'em for endangering right of life. I’m surprised someone hasn’t sued the entire lot of ‘em for endangering right of life.

]]> By: Reed http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8691 Reed Thu, 08 May 2008 21:31:44 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8691 Tom, First, a public apology to you for my unseemly behavior last week. I did not exercise the least patience and ask your (and Steve's) forgiveness. As for the polar bears, they are caught in an environmental change which - no matter the origin - cannot be stopped in time to benefit them. So, why list them as endangered if such a listing will be of no positive value? Right now the permafrost in the tundra of Canada, Alaska, and Siberia is melting for the first time in millennium. Thus carbon "buried since the Pleistocene era is bubbling to the surface of lakes, and dissipating into the atmosphere as methane". We can't stop, or even slow (in the near-term), that natural buildup/breakdown in the atmosphere. Any effects this carbon release will have is also beyond our human efforts to mitigate. Grizzlys are now moving north into polar bear territory -- do we start shooting grizzlys? Will the caribou herds also be affected by the melting tundra? Probably, as it will alter travel, calving, and increase insect attacks and disease. The interconnectedness is awe-inspiring. Reed Tom,

First, a public apology to you for my unseemly behavior last week. I did not exercise the least patience and ask your (and Steve’s) forgiveness.

As for the polar bears, they are caught in an environmental change which – no matter the origin – cannot be stopped in time to benefit them. So, why list them as endangered if such a listing will be of no positive value? Right now the permafrost in the tundra of Canada, Alaska, and Siberia is melting for the first time in millennium. Thus carbon “buried since the Pleistocene era is bubbling to the surface of lakes, and dissipating into the atmosphere as methane”. We can’t stop, or even slow (in the near-term), that natural buildup/breakdown in the atmosphere. Any effects this carbon release will have is also beyond our human efforts to mitigate. Grizzlys are now moving north into polar bear territory — do we start shooting grizzlys?

Will the caribou herds also be affected by the melting tundra? Probably, as it will alter travel, calving, and increase insect attacks and disease. The interconnectedness is awe-inspiring.

Reed

]]> By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8690 Tom Remington Thu, 08 May 2008 21:04:29 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8690 Part of the race for public opinion has involved telling people that selling the oil rights will destroy the polar bear. Whether you want to believe that having drilling rigs in polar bear habitat is good or bad, none of this much matters IF the polar bear is listed. It is my understanding from someone who has studied ESA law, that if the bear is listed, the drilling will cease. Part of the race for public opinion has involved telling people that selling the oil rights will destroy the polar bear. Whether you want to believe that having drilling rigs in polar bear habitat is good or bad, none of this much matters IF the polar bear is listed.
It is my understanding from someone who has studied ESA law, that if the bear is listed, the drilling will cease.

]]> By: George http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8689 George Thu, 08 May 2008 20:51:34 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/05/08/the-feds-flawed-research-to-determine-polar-bear-future/#comment-8689 But critics say that Fish and Wildlife hasn't made a ruling yet because another agency within the Department of Interior, the Minerals Management Service, is on the verge of handing out oil and gas leases in vast swaths of the polar bears' remaining habitat. The Endangered Species Act prevents the federal government from taking actions that harm protected species. "At the same time the administration is illegally delaying a decision on the polar bear listing, it is also racing to sell some of the polar bear's most important habitat in the Chukchi Sea for oil and gas development," said Andrew Wetzler, director of the Endangered Species Project at the Natural Resources Defense Council. Alas, another Big Bad Bush conspiracy to supply a means to develop our own energy resources!! All on the back of the poor Polar Bear. Hope they are not listed. I might need a polar bear coat to stay warm next winter!! But critics say that Fish and Wildlife hasn’t made a ruling yet because another agency within the Department of Interior, the Minerals Management Service, is on the verge of handing out oil and gas leases in vast swaths of the polar bears’ remaining habitat. The Endangered Species Act prevents the federal government from taking actions that harm protected species. “At the same time the administration is illegally delaying a decision on the polar bear listing, it is also racing to sell some of the polar bear’s most important habitat in the Chukchi Sea for oil and gas development,” said Andrew Wetzler, director of the Endangered Species Project at the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Alas, another Big Bad Bush conspiracy to supply a means to develop our own energy resources!! All on the back of the poor Polar Bear. Hope they are not listed. I might need a polar bear coat to stay warm next winter!!

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