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	<title>Comments on: Tearing Down Pennsylvania&#8217;s Deer Population So It Can Be Rebuilt?</title>
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		<title>By: Gino Luzader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gino Luzader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 21:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pa deer management plan is a joke.</description>
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		<title>By: Harvey Flatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harvey Flatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 15:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been hunting the 2010 season I hunted 4 days on the first week,I hunt in pike county pa, at one time I would see 20 to 30 deer a day now in 4 days I have not seen a deer, what you are doing is making people like me stop hunting all together, we are shutting to many does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been hunting the 2010 season I hunted 4 days on the first week,I hunt in pike county pa, at one time I would see 20 to 30 deer a day now in 4 days I have not seen a deer, what you are doing is making people like me stop hunting all together, we are shutting to many does.</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Environmentalist extremists arent the majority of most states management employees.

They are in Pa thanks to a strong push several years back from people/legislators  in high places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Environmentalist extremists arent the majority of most states management employees.</p>
<p>They are in Pa thanks to a strong push several years back from people/legislators  in high places.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, i know everyone may mean well with their scientific theories.  But i have some facts.  On our 160 acres, 10 years ago, we counted over 150 deer crossing our fields the first day of rifle.  And i agree that is too many, however, I havent seen a buck on our property while bow hunting, rifle hunting, scouting, spotting, or with trail cameras in 2 years.  Also, last year i didn&#039;t even see a deer on our property or a legal buck in the whole county while hunting.  I no longer waste my time here.  I suck it up and spend my time and money hunting bordering states who already have higher populations than Pennsylvania&#039;s yet are still taking steps to increase the population..??  why arent they trying to eliminate their population?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, i know everyone may mean well with their scientific theories.  But i have some facts.  On our 160 acres, 10 years ago, we counted over 150 deer crossing our fields the first day of rifle.  And i agree that is too many, however, I havent seen a buck on our property while bow hunting, rifle hunting, scouting, spotting, or with trail cameras in 2 years.  Also, last year i didn&#8217;t even see a deer on our property or a legal buck in the whole county while hunting.  I no longer waste my time here.  I suck it up and spend my time and money hunting bordering states who already have higher populations than Pennsylvania&#8217;s yet are still taking steps to increase the population..??  why arent they trying to eliminate their population?</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Planned deer hunt at Pennsylvania park outrages animal rights groups

Administrators at the park say the hunt of 80% of the herd is necessary to ensure the forest&#039;s survival,

Wednesday 18 February 2009 

When drivers approach Pennsylvania&#039;s Valley Forge National Historical Park from the south, they&#039;re often greeted by hordes of attentive, long-eared hosts: Deer.

The animals don&#039;t run from the noise of car engines. They don&#039;t bolt at the prospect of human contact. They stand and stare. Soon those sentries may be gone.

This is no exaggeration! I live just on the outskirts of the Park. This whole area is a major Petting Zoo!

Technically, park administrators are considering four plans to manage deer, with options ranging from doing nothing to killing most of the herd. But they&#039;ve already identified sharp-shooting as the best alternative.

Angry animal-rights activists insist that shooting the deer is unnecessary, unethical, and dangerous to nearby residents.

&quot;Free-living animals can control their numbers, and they do control their numbers,&quot; said Lee Hall of Devon, Pennsylvania, legal director of the international advocacy group Friends of Animals. &quot;The best way to enable them to do this is to respect how they are, and where they are, because nature works.&quot;

From 1997 to 2007, the herd grew from 772 to 1,023, peaking at 1,398 in 2003, according to a park environmental-impact study. The 2007 total was 193 deer per 2 sq km (1 square mile), which administrators say exceeds scientific recommendations for forest regeneration.

Already lost, Heister said, is what biologists call the forest understory, the saplings and small ground plants. If the situation continued unaltered over generations, what is now forest would become meadow.

Heister said the large number of deer raised the risk of chronic wasting disease in Valley Forge. The park study repeatedly cites the threat of the disease, a contagious neurological illness that kills deer and elk.

But there has never been a case of it in Pennsylvania. Infected herds were identified in West Virginia and New York four years ago. Park officials also note that there are, on average, 86 collisions between cars and deer in the park each year. More accidents occur on the park outskirts, and all are potentially deadly to drivers.

Hall, of the Friends of Animals, said the solution was to reduce speed limits, install asphalt speed bumps, and find other ways to restrain drivers, who often use park roads as shortcuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Planned deer hunt at Pennsylvania park outrages animal rights groups</p>
<p>Administrators at the park say the hunt of 80% of the herd is necessary to ensure the forest&#8217;s survival,</p>
<p>Wednesday 18 February 2009 </p>
<p>When drivers approach Pennsylvania&#8217;s Valley Forge National Historical Park from the south, they&#8217;re often greeted by hordes of attentive, long-eared hosts: Deer.</p>
<p>The animals don&#8217;t run from the noise of car engines. They don&#8217;t bolt at the prospect of human contact. They stand and stare. Soon those sentries may be gone.</p>
<p>This is no exaggeration! I live just on the outskirts of the Park. This whole area is a major Petting Zoo!</p>
<p>Technically, park administrators are considering four plans to manage deer, with options ranging from doing nothing to killing most of the herd. But they&#8217;ve already identified sharp-shooting as the best alternative.</p>
<p>Angry animal-rights activists insist that shooting the deer is unnecessary, unethical, and dangerous to nearby residents.</p>
<p>&#8220;Free-living animals can control their numbers, and they do control their numbers,&#8221; said Lee Hall of Devon, Pennsylvania, legal director of the international advocacy group Friends of Animals. &#8220;The best way to enable them to do this is to respect how they are, and where they are, because nature works.&#8221;</p>
<p>From 1997 to 2007, the herd grew from 772 to 1,023, peaking at 1,398 in 2003, according to a park environmental-impact study. The 2007 total was 193 deer per 2 sq km (1 square mile), which administrators say exceeds scientific recommendations for forest regeneration.</p>
<p>Already lost, Heister said, is what biologists call the forest understory, the saplings and small ground plants. If the situation continued unaltered over generations, what is now forest would become meadow.</p>
<p>Heister said the large number of deer raised the risk of chronic wasting disease in Valley Forge. The park study repeatedly cites the threat of the disease, a contagious neurological illness that kills deer and elk.</p>
<p>But there has never been a case of it in Pennsylvania. Infected herds were identified in West Virginia and New York four years ago. Park officials also note that there are, on average, 86 collisions between cars and deer in the park each year. More accidents occur on the park outskirts, and all are potentially deadly to drivers.</p>
<p>Hall, of the Friends of Animals, said the solution was to reduce speed limits, install asphalt speed bumps, and find other ways to restrain drivers, who often use park roads as shortcuts.</p>
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		<title>By: Haroldo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haroldo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SChleiden was an ecoextremeist and thank god is on his way out, with an expired term.  He is also taking along antideer queen roxanne pallone whose term is also up.

Bad news is, another idiot is being prepped for the position.  Same antideer attitude and cut from the same ecoextremist cloth.  They are determined to continue the grip on the majority of our game commission board.

Pa hunting is going down the toilet fast, and its all political nonsense causing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SChleiden was an ecoextremeist and thank god is on his way out, with an expired term.  He is also taking along antideer queen roxanne pallone whose term is also up.</p>
<p>Bad news is, another idiot is being prepped for the position.  Same antideer attitude and cut from the same ecoextremist cloth.  They are determined to continue the grip on the majority of our game commission board.</p>
<p>Pa hunting is going down the toilet fast, and its all political nonsense causing it.</p>
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		<title>By: DarylK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DarylK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 00:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who isnt hunting on highly privatized land in Pa, and says the hunting is good is absolutely nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who isnt hunting on highly privatized land in Pa, and says the hunting is good is absolutely nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: LOU</title>
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		<dc:creator>LOU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are tearing it down and keeping it down.  Speaking of being able to hold more deer and actually allowing it to happen is a ploy to gain sportsmens acceptance..  Unfortunately for pgc at this point too many proven lies have been told and too many bridges burnt towards pgc/hunter relations for hunters to believe much more of their bull in regards to this farce plan, that has proven to be a complete failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are tearing it down and keeping it down.  Speaking of being able to hold more deer and actually allowing it to happen is a ploy to gain sportsmens acceptance..  Unfortunately for pgc at this point too many proven lies have been told and too many bridges burnt towards pgc/hunter relations for hunters to believe much more of their bull in regards to this farce plan, that has proven to be a complete failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Willard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 17:23:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Schleiden is regarded by most as being firmly on the &quot;reduce deer populations bandwagon&quot; and most likely one of the chief supporters in not one of the key architects of the PGC deer management program.

I do not personally know him and of course cannot speak for him, but it seems likely that he means that once the habitat has recovered from the severe over browsing that it should then be capable of supporting a larger number of deer than 15 per square mile.  At one time the accepted figure was that woodlands could host 20 deer per square mile without being impacted.  It seems likely that this is what he is referring to.

Of course you are right that if populations spiraled out of control once that they could easily do it again.  

For the record I have heard a presentation by Mr. Krause and his assistants and saw the documentation which they presented, but it has been far enough in the past that I cannot quote anything said at the meeting.

I do recall that I was not totally convinced either way as to whether there were too many deer or not at Raystown and although I have seen the area, I have no on the ground experience there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Schleiden is regarded by most as being firmly on the &#8220;reduce deer populations bandwagon&#8221; and most likely one of the chief supporters in not one of the key architects of the PGC deer management program.</p>
<p>I do not personally know him and of course cannot speak for him, but it seems likely that he means that once the habitat has recovered from the severe over browsing that it should then be capable of supporting a larger number of deer than 15 per square mile.  At one time the accepted figure was that woodlands could host 20 deer per square mile without being impacted.  It seems likely that this is what he is referring to.</p>
<p>Of course you are right that if populations spiraled out of control once that they could easily do it again.  </p>
<p>For the record I have heard a presentation by Mr. Krause and his assistants and saw the documentation which they presented, but it has been far enough in the past that I cannot quote anything said at the meeting.</p>
<p>I do recall that I was not totally convinced either way as to whether there were too many deer or not at Raystown and although I have seen the area, I have no on the ground experience there.</p>
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