Comments on: “We’ll Be Quiet No More!!!”

By: Mike

Mike — Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:29:28 +0000

These people frost my ass. They have no clue about why we hunt and enjoy the outdoors. They don’t understand that without the outdoors, to us there is no life. Many of us live off what we harvest be it deer,elk,berries whatever it’s not just a 2 week vacation away from the city. The worst part is they try to instill there wants and needs on others and by having the big bucks to buy off judges or whatever they can succeed. Sometimes by the way things are going our next war could be on our soil against our own people. I pray it never comes to that but sooner or later it will come to a head.I would sure hate to be the one in charge of confiscating all the weapons.

By: Greg Farber

Greg Farber — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:21:06 +0000

It will be a cold day in hell before the anti crowd ever admit the wolf program was a lie, mistake, mis-managed, sure we can pull some of these folks over to our side, and I have, but those others will not even hear the truth. The prey base in Idaho is losing ground, the anti crowd is already attempting to divert attention from the wolf to the hunter as blame for hooved herds collapse here, instead of going for the truth they invent another lie. You can’t deal with these people on a level playing field, they cheat. Marxists don’t deal, they like coercion, no matter the facts standing in the way. You can’t deal with extreme Islamists either. Same kinda people, except the anti crowd hire it done, the Islamist straps on his boots and gets it done himself. Dealing with anti-hunter cowards gets you stabbed in the back.

By: Desert Rat

Desert Rat — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:29:22 +0000

LOL jes. Funny you should say that. I did the exact same thing on my previous post. Not once, but 3 times.

By: jes

jes — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 12:53:24 +0000

Desert Rat, I hate it when I submit comments, and forget to enter my name, thinking it was automatically there, as it usually is….and then, BLIP, thirty minutes of sound reasoning, careful thought and divive inspiration go byby! You’d think it would give me a second chance, at least! Life is cruel, but live with it. I like the standby, “just keep failing, eventually you’ll succeed.”
One thing I’m reminded of, is that life is nothing without passion, and emotion. Not to say we should disreguard the facts, and not use science, but science and facts can and do lie, both deliberately and inadvertantly, and science is a monster wilthout a moral conscience. The trouble is when emotions run rampant without moral conscience or scientific or deductive reasoning. We get into trouble when we believe the lie!
These photos I doubt very much, are lies…photoshopping can fairly easily be evidenced, if necessary, but in this case, I doubt there would be reason….they speak as self evident! Many wolf kills are documented and photographed, and these are nothing different. Are we afraid of the truth? Or are we afraid of those who believe the lie?

By: Desert Rat

Desert Rat — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:23:50 +0000

I do agree that we have to be careful in how we form our opinions – or present our argument, and I know I donâ€™t do a good job of presenting mine cuz it just hits too close to home, I get all angry thinking about it and canâ€™t say anything but how sick I am that these things were ever put in Idaho.

Tom – That is my point.

Greg – Good for you, you don’t care about the antis. Nowhere in my post did I say we should be apologists. Nowhere did I say that we shouldn’t (or should) be eradicating wolves from the face of the earth. My point is that the most effective way to defend our way of life (hunting/trapping/fishing/etc) with the apathetic public or the virulent “anti” is to disassemble their emotionally formed ideas and opinions. Counter their arguments with calm and reason, science and logic. I don’t believe that showing graphic photos of dead fawns and does, while braying frantically “Kill all the wolves!!” will get us very far in this war we are fighting.

By the way, we have our own problems forming with wolves, in Arizona.

By: Greg Farber

Greg Farber — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:50:20 +0000

I dont give one rats ass about the anti crowd, they have made up their minds already and it don’t matter how much proof gets put in front of them they DENY DENY DENY. The wolf is another tool for the destruction of private property rights, hunting, eventually forest access, among other agendas. Pictures like this show the some pro wolf folks the long term decimation of game herds up close for them to see. One forest dweller should not dominate the other dwellers like the wolf is doing, its a wipeout, the mainstream media doesnt touch this stuff, photos are worth a thousand words. Time for change in government clear across the board, time for FWS and IFG top brass heads to roll, time for the hunters and non hunters alike to wake up and get on board and demand the changes we need to restore Idahos Deer and Elk Herds to their previous greatness. Time to get out there and photo every thing wolves do and flood the internet with the photos and put so much pressure on these agencys they do more than de-list and open a hunt or two. Time to allow employees of IFG to come forward and speak their minds publically with out threat of ruination of their careers, time to start acting like a Republic and get all the public servants voices heard on this issue by telling the truth with no threat of job loss, then instead of muttering under their breath to trusted friends the public gets the TRUTH, this program is A WIPEOUT.

By: Tom Sorenson

Tom Sorenson — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:30:38 +0000

@ Desert Rat – I’ve formed my opinion long ago on what I’ve seen from living in Idaho and hunting in Idaho and hiking in Idaho. These pictures didn’t form an opinion, they just were some more evidence of what I’ve already known. The fact that it’s a gruesome kill isn’t so much an issue as the fact that these animals don’t kill to sustain themselves, they kill just cuz it’s their nature – thus they go on killing sprees where they can wipe out an entire drainage. I don’t hate wolves because of this (like I said, it’s their nature) – I just hate the fact that someone introduced them where they never even existed! The wolves that used to inhabit Idaho were half the size of these wolves and only hunted in pairs – there are reports of packs in Idaho of nearly thirty wolves – can you imagine how much damage a pack of wild dogs, each weighing 150 pounds, can do? If you can, take your imagination and multiply it a few times. They’re a bad animal.

I do agree that we have to be careful in how we form our opinions – or present our argument, and I know I don’t do a good job of presenting mine cuz it just hits too close to home, I get all angry thinking about it and can’t say anything but how sick I am that these things were ever put in Idaho. Or Montana. Or Wyoming.

By: Desert Rat

Desert Rat — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 04:26:14 +0000

I dunno. We make the claim all the time that the “antis” argue based on emotion, not facts. I think its a dangerous road to go down to strengthen “our case” based on photos like this. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Debate the wolf programs based on logic, science, and common sense – not gruesome photos. I don’t think there’s much clean killing going on out there, between species…

By: Greg Farber

Greg Farber — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:50:37 +0000

Yep, there’s a fine poster for the “Humane Society” or PETA. And all those wolf supporters out there that are anti-hunting, the Sport killing wolf has decimated Idahos elk and deer, among other forest dwellers as well, what a fine stupid idea this wolf program has proven to be. Just like the book Wolves in Russia claims via records and such, get ready America, soon it will be a human child dead and bloodied on the ground with its guts ripped out like this, then what excuse and lie will you inhumane wolf freaks come up with next. To hell with these soft u.s corporate citizen slaves little “feelings” and censored ears and eyes!! show em the damn wolf for what it is, a Ruthless brutal killer.

By: Tom Sorenson

Tom Sorenson — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:43:58 +0000

I hate those critters (the wolves, not the deer) I can’t help but get all angry all over again when I see pictures like this. It makes the blood boil – these are the animals we introduced to our great state – not REintroduced…just plain old introduced – and I ask: Why?