“If you have relatives in Idaho, where wolves have been released, why don’t you ask them, if they hunt enough to get out there and find out for themselves, what impact does this have on deer and elk, for instance?” Prior to wolf reintroduction I told my son-in law that I would not push for Grizzly bears if he would not fight against wolves. I kept my end and he probably did his also. My brother said he didn’t mind the wolves just easterners pushing it on them. My brother and daughter live in the Clearwater and go elk hunting every year. I know they both got one last year – pretty much as usual. Haven’t heard yet this year since they frequently do the late muzzle loader hunt.

“Maybe you need some wolves back home with you so you can get to know them….and the impact on the other wildlife…but that’s right, you don’t hunt anymore, so you couldn’t care less!” I have said before I could use some depredation on deer and beaver. I do enjoy the deer around here – see them nearly every day. The coyotes haven’t wiped them out and I don’t believe the wolves would either.
“You would have a hard time convincing the federal government that all wolves are one specie or another…they have their own categories that defy explanation” The feds call all north american wolves the same species except for the red wolf of the SE – where is your evidence that it is otherwise? There are currently 3 Canis species recognized in the world Canis lupus, Canis rufous, and Canis simensis (ethiopian). Just because there is an international boundary between Canada and USA does not make the same species north of the border a different one from that to the south – all are Canis lupus.

I would not object to a season on wolves but Idaho’s proposal was for an excessive kill. How come Minnesota supports far more wolves in a smaller area than Idaho does and they still have lots of deer? Seems more are killed on highways during a year than by wolves.

To Greg F.,”got my eye on a big ole boy must be 150 pounds, look good stretched out on my wall” and that at one time you had raised a native male wolf with a weight of 115 pounds? The first wolves reintroduced into Idaho in 1995 came from SW Alberta. The heaviest one was a 101 pound male. The average weight of the 12 adults (6 female, 6 male) was 87 pounds. The 1996 introductions came from NE British Columbia; the largest was a 135 pound male; the average for the adults (5 female, 10 male) was 112.6 pounds. Years ago I saw, in Glacier National Park, the mounted head of a female wolf taken there in a spring month and her weight was listed as 135 pounds. There were large wolves in the United States Rockies prior to their extripation.
As to population “Try doing some real math.” Granted there is lots of land that doesn’t have a person standing on it but land is needed to raise food and the more people the more food. At the current rate of growth in 50 years the earth will have over 12 billion. I’m glad I won’t be here then. Earth’s land area is 196,940,400 miles squared for short approximately 200,000,000 or 2 x 10^8 mi^2 (^ means raised to the shown power). The population is about 7 x 10^9. Dividing people by square miles gives 35 people per square mile. This inludes areas like Antarctica. Idaho has a population density of about 16/sqmi. 640 acres/sqmi divided by 35 people/sqmi gives about 18 acres per person. We are lucky to live in an “underpopulated” area! What do you consider a reasonable number of Earth occupants? You sound like a person who likes to spend a lot of time alone outdoors – I would think you would prefer to see no population growth in Idaho. It is not just land that people use but resources.
To Jes “If the last time you went hunting was in the 70’s, that’s a shame…why did you quit?” If you have relatives in Idaho, where wolves have been released, why don’t you ask them, if they hunt enough to get out there and find out for themselves, what impact does this have on deer and elk, for instance?

One point I will make is that hunters are just about the only people who will really get out and stay out in the woods long enough to see and get a good picture of what’s happening to the game….as far as I can see, the biologist never really get out that much but count on either their own fiction, or half assed research to make up their stories…having been a scientist, myself, I saw this happen all too often!

Maybe you need some wolves back home with you so you can get to know them….and the impact on the other wildlife…but that’s right, you don’t hunt anymore, so you couldn’t care less! You just want wolves around….so why don’t you get some yourself, I’m sure your neighbors would love it! You could get some first hand experience, and maybe have a few close calls yourself! That would spice up your life! And those nasty old deer that eat your rosebushes could get eaten themselves! And you could get to watch it!

And I like wilderness areas as well, but unless the protection for the wolf is removed, the natural order is going to be no game for the wolf, and thus, they starve as well as eliminate the game people have protected for centuries because we needed them for game, for food, and for the pleasure of being…

You need to pay attention to this website as well as others were the hunter is given credence for his powers of observation and concern…I hope you aren’t too old to go…I’m 65 and almost got a buck with my bow last week…so no excuses..unless your 90 or so!

As far as geese are concerned, they are migratory….wolves are too, to some extent, but much less so. You would have a hard time convincing the federal government that all wolves are one specie or another…they have their own categories that defy explanation…even when dogs interbreed with wolves..

Hope you check in more often and listen to the people who are having to deal with wolves on a daily basis, instead of the people who don’t. Maybe you could learn more than the tripe they want you to believe…

I ride a mountain bike all summer, I hike all summer and winter too, I horse back, I’m fit, I am an avid hunter, mountain wandering fellow, I know Idaho like the back of my hands, we are being wiped out by the wolves, Their digging up hybernatiing bears in winter, killin them, chasing down foxes and killin them, The game birds are being decimated, I used to have some foreign ring tails here, their gone, in all my travels I usually could count 100+ sage grouse, not now, Ive seen two, The blue grouse and his cousin, the Ruffed grouse Ive seen less than twenty. I should be seeing 100+ of those as well.

But hey man, there is that beautiful howling outside my window at night, gotta love that. I don’t hear the coyotes any more, their killed around here, in 1995 we had close to 300 Antelopes here, now we got less than 30. Yep those wolves are hell on echo systems, God that sure was a good idea to force them wolves on us, no vote just here ya are, and don’t touch em, even if their killin your dog or horse, we will bankrupt you and imprison you if you do !! Oh yea, ain’t America a beautiful thing from Sea to shineing Sea, Land of the Free, Home of the brave. Unhuh…..

Well, unit 39 here I come, I hear tell there’s some critters left in that unit yet. Guess I’ll try my luck helping the wolf STARVE HISSELF TO DEATH because less intelligent people dont get it YET whats REALLY going on across Idaho. Any body that don’t see this banking crisis for what it is, the possible collapse of the currency soon, likely mid 09 by my estimation, grocery stores with empty shelves, soldiers in our streets backing up police to keep the peace, gas and diesel locked up cause no one can buy it, and conviently 14 years prior to this wolf facade program the forest is depleated on game.

I know what time it is. And a bunch of citizens with pop guns think they will stop this nonsense, unhuh, well keep in mind, Iraq was set up with WWII equipment and munitions, the Popers Roman Thug army rolled overthat shit like it was a bug on their windsheilds. Get ready for you N.A.U., kiss the founders documents good by, And Lee, thanks a bunch for supporting the traitors and their EGYPTIAN SIRIUS WOLF DOG IDOL. False idol.

October 21st, 2008 at 7:52 pm