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		<description>Of course the constitution was perfect in it&#039;s writting and 27 amendments added to get us where we are today.  

[The “real” 13th Amendment was ratified by three-fourths of the Union states before the War of 1812. It placed into the U.S. Constitution a specific ban against titles of nobility, and defined a penalty for those who accepted such titles. That penalty was a loss of citizenship and a loss of eligibility for public office.]

As the story goes, there is a painting somewhere in the vast hallways of the Smithsonian museum which shows British soldiers boarding a sailing ship, muskets in hand. The ship is in an American port, and the soldiers are returning home after the War of 1812.

There is a problem with this picture which may not be immediately apparent to the casual viewer. Our history books tell us that the British lost that war. History should also tell us that the winners in a war usually (but not always) take the guns away from the other side. So, why were these British soldiers boarding their warship, guns in hand?

The answer to that question was provided to me by a common law judge in the California Republic. He had recently presided over a jury trial in which “titles of nobility” were the issue. The jury was presented with evidence and arguments that the “real” 13th Amendment did not ban slavery after the Civil War. That amendment was really the 14th Amendment.

The “real” 13th Amendment was ratified by three-fourths of the Union states before the War of 1812. It placed into the U.S. Constitution a specific ban against titles of nobility, and defined a penalty for those who accepted such titles. That penalty was a loss of citizenship and a loss of eligibility for public office.

My friend, the common law judge, explained to me that the jury had reached a unanimous verdict that the ban on titles of nobility had, indeed, been duly ratified as a lawful amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America. By banning titles of nobility and defining the penalty for using them, the original 13th Amendment was specifically intended to keep bar members out of public offices throughout America.

You may recall that the qualifications for serving in the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives all have one thing in common: the would-be official must be a “Citizen of the United States.” Since the 14th (15th?) amendment did not appear until 1868, the term “United States” in these provisions means “States United,” and “Citizen of the United States” means “Citizen of one of the States United.”

The U.S. Constitution thus contains a specific prohibition against titles of nobility, and a specific penalty for their use, i.e., the loss of citizenship and disability from holding public office. The loss of citizenship means that a Person who was born or naturalized a Citizen would lose that status and thereby become an “alien” with respect to the United States of America. Since the qualifications for serving in federal elective offices all require citizenship, an “alien” is, by definition, disqualified from eligibility for these offices (President, Senator, and Representative).

In my conversation with the common law judge from California, we next considered if it was possible, under the original 13th Amendment, to restore citizenship by renouncing or rescinding a title of nobility. A close examination of the amendment’s language did not reveal any such provision. In matters of statutory construction (determining the real meaning of statutes), there is a principle that the specific mention of one thing is the specific exclusion of all things that are not mentioned. In Latin, expressio unius est exclusio alterius. In other words, what was omitted was intended to be omitted.

The original 13th Amendment does not contain any provisions for restoring citizenship by renouncing or rescinding a title of nobility. Evidently, if the framers of that amendment had wanted citizenship to be restored to those who renounced their titles (e.g. Esquire), then the amendment would have contained language to make that possible. The absence of such language can be used to prove, under the principle of expressio unius est exclusio alterius, that it is not possible to restore one’s citizenship after accepting a title of nobility.

Now, the original 13th Amendment raises some very interesting questions of law, or Law, as the case may be. If a law school graduate should join the Bar in the state of his domicile, he would join the elite company of “Esquires.” In the United States of America, this is the title commonly appended after the name of an attorney (see Black’s Law Dictionary, fifth edition). If we are correct in our construction of the original 13th Amendment, then it is correct to say that “Once an Esquire, always an Esquire.”

If our up-and-coming Esquire should develop a successful practice, it could (and often does) happen that s/he might consider running for federal office, let’s say the House of Representatives. Would s/he be eligible for that office? The Answer is NO, because the title of Esquire makes it impossible for that person ever to be eligible for the offices of President, Senator, or Representative. As a resident alien, that person is definitely NOT eligible for election to those offices, nor is that person eligible for naturalization. So, there is no chance that such a person could ever hold such an office, under the supreme Law of the Land.

Let’s take this argument one step further. Assume, for the moment, that John Q. Esquire does get elected to the House of Representatives, by some quirk of circumstances (or intentional cover-up). Would Mr. Esquire be a lawful occupant of that office? Answer: NO. Would Mr. Esquire be capable of exercising the powers and privileges of that office? Answer: NO. Would Mr. Esquire be qualified to vote on the matters which came before that august body? Answer: NO. If Mr. Esquire did attempt to cast a vote on any of the matters which came before the House of Representatives, his vote would be null and void ab initio (from the outset). In other words, his vote would not be a vote at all, would it?

How many Esquires does it take to nullify an act of Congress? One? Two? Fifty-one percent? How many Esquires are presently seated in Congress? Is it greater than fifty-one percent? Is it greater than a quorum? Or does it really take only one Esquire to spoil the whole barrel of apples? Maybe we should reconvene that California common law jury and put this question to them as well, because we now appear to have a really big problem on our hands.

If the Senate and House of Representatives ever consisted of members who were disqualified from serving there by reason of their titles of nobility, then every single act of those bodies was completely null and void from the beginning. As an Illinois State Court once ruled, “it never became a law and was as much a nullity as if it had been the act or declaration of an unauthorized assemblage of individuals.” (Ryan v. Lynch, 68 Ill. 160) A House or Senate consisting of Esquires for members is an unauthorized assemblage of individuals, and ALL their legislation is completely null and void.

Now ask yourself this question: Since the War of 1812, the approximate time at which the original 13th Amendment surely became Law, how many sessions of the House or Senate were conducted by Members who had previously accepted titles of nobility? If your answer is one hundred percent, then you are probably right.

The shocking fact is this: Every session of the House and Senate since 1812 has consisted of members who were attorneys with the title of Esquire conveniently appended to the end of their names. This means that every session of the House and Senate since 1812 has attempted to pass legislation which was null and void from its inception. Do you have any favorite laws which come to mind?

How about the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917? There is a magnificent collection of research by Dr. Eugene Schroder which shows how our vaulted Congress amended this Act in 1933 in order to define all Americans as enemies of the United States government. Were these acts of Congress valid, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.

How about the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? This Act of Congress created our vaulted Federal Reserve system, and the debt money system to which we are all shackled for life (it seems). Was this act of Congress valid, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.

How about the 16th amendment proposal? This Act of Congress sent the 16th Amendment out to the states for ratification in 1911. Another magnificent collection of research by Bill Benson and Red Beckman shows how the 48 states completely botched the ratification of that proposal. Now ask yourself the obvious question: Was Congress authorized to issue that proposal in the first instance, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.

How about the 17th Amendment proposal? This Act of Congress sent the 17th Amendment out to the states for ratification at the same time as the 16th Amendment proposal. It purported to convert the election of U.S. Senators to a popular vote. Under the “old” procedure, Senators were elected by the state legislatures (resulting in much lower campaign costs). Was the Congress authorized to issue that proposal in the first instance, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.

If the 17th Amendment was never properly ratified, then we surely have not had a lawfully convened U.S. Senate at least since 1917. This, then, means that all the treaties which were allegedly approved by the U.S. Senate since then are also null and void. What about GATT? NAFTA? the Genocide Treaty? the United Nations? Round and round we go; where it stops, nobody knows? On the contrary, we stop in 1812, the year of our second war with England. We have not had a lawfully convened Congress at least since the year 1812.

Now, what about those British soldiers who were boarding their warship, guns in hand, at the end of that war? Is it possible that they were not really the vanquished, but the victors? Didn’t they just finish burning the Library of Congress? Wasn’t that where evidence of the original 13th Amendment had been kept, under the watchful eyes of our government record custodians who fled for their lives?

What those soldiers didn’t know was that the original 13th Amendment had “leaked” out to other states, whose record custodians did not suffer the loss of their libraries. When their official versions of the U.S. Constitution show a 13th amendment which bans titles of nobility, and those very same versions do NOT show any ban against slavery (which didn’t pass until after the Civil War), you begin to suspect that something very strange is going on here.

There has not been a single act of Congress since 1812 which has been properly enacted into law. Not a single one! So, you can throw out your Internal Revenue Code, and along with it all of your 50 United States Codes, and your Federal Reserve Act, and your Trading with the Enemy Act, and your treaties, and your federal regulations, and your resolutions and your Joint Interdepartmental delegations of authority, because they had no authority under the real Constitution for the United States of America. NONE!

Attorneys beware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the constitution was perfect in it&#8217;s writting and 27 amendments added to get us where we are today.  </p>
<p>[The “real” 13th Amendment was ratified by three-fourths of the Union states before the War of 1812. It placed into the U.S. Constitution a specific ban against titles of nobility, and defined a penalty for those who accepted such titles. That penalty was a loss of citizenship and a loss of eligibility for public office.]</p>
<p>As the story goes, there is a painting somewhere in the vast hallways of the Smithsonian museum which shows British soldiers boarding a sailing ship, muskets in hand. The ship is in an American port, and the soldiers are returning home after the War of 1812.</p>
<p>There is a problem with this picture which may not be immediately apparent to the casual viewer. Our history books tell us that the British lost that war. History should also tell us that the winners in a war usually (but not always) take the guns away from the other side. So, why were these British soldiers boarding their warship, guns in hand?</p>
<p>The answer to that question was provided to me by a common law judge in the California Republic. He had recently presided over a jury trial in which “titles of nobility” were the issue. The jury was presented with evidence and arguments that the “real” 13th Amendment did not ban slavery after the Civil War. That amendment was really the 14th Amendment.</p>
<p>The “real” 13th Amendment was ratified by three-fourths of the Union states before the War of 1812. It placed into the U.S. Constitution a specific ban against titles of nobility, and defined a penalty for those who accepted such titles. That penalty was a loss of citizenship and a loss of eligibility for public office.</p>
<p>My friend, the common law judge, explained to me that the jury had reached a unanimous verdict that the ban on titles of nobility had, indeed, been duly ratified as a lawful amendment to the Constitution for the United States of America. By banning titles of nobility and defining the penalty for using them, the original 13th Amendment was specifically intended to keep bar members out of public offices throughout America.</p>
<p>You may recall that the qualifications for serving in the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives all have one thing in common: the would-be official must be a “Citizen of the United States.” Since the 14th (15th?) amendment did not appear until 1868, the term “United States” in these provisions means “States United,” and “Citizen of the United States” means “Citizen of one of the States United.”</p>
<p>The U.S. Constitution thus contains a specific prohibition against titles of nobility, and a specific penalty for their use, i.e., the loss of citizenship and disability from holding public office. The loss of citizenship means that a Person who was born or naturalized a Citizen would lose that status and thereby become an “alien” with respect to the United States of America. Since the qualifications for serving in federal elective offices all require citizenship, an “alien” is, by definition, disqualified from eligibility for these offices (President, Senator, and Representative).</p>
<p>In my conversation with the common law judge from California, we next considered if it was possible, under the original 13th Amendment, to restore citizenship by renouncing or rescinding a title of nobility. A close examination of the amendment’s language did not reveal any such provision. In matters of statutory construction (determining the real meaning of statutes), there is a principle that the specific mention of one thing is the specific exclusion of all things that are not mentioned. In Latin, expressio unius est exclusio alterius. In other words, what was omitted was intended to be omitted.</p>
<p>The original 13th Amendment does not contain any provisions for restoring citizenship by renouncing or rescinding a title of nobility. Evidently, if the framers of that amendment had wanted citizenship to be restored to those who renounced their titles (e.g. Esquire), then the amendment would have contained language to make that possible. The absence of such language can be used to prove, under the principle of expressio unius est exclusio alterius, that it is not possible to restore one’s citizenship after accepting a title of nobility.</p>
<p>Now, the original 13th Amendment raises some very interesting questions of law, or Law, as the case may be. If a law school graduate should join the Bar in the state of his domicile, he would join the elite company of “Esquires.” In the United States of America, this is the title commonly appended after the name of an attorney (see Black’s Law Dictionary, fifth edition). If we are correct in our construction of the original 13th Amendment, then it is correct to say that “Once an Esquire, always an Esquire.”</p>
<p>If our up-and-coming Esquire should develop a successful practice, it could (and often does) happen that s/he might consider running for federal office, let’s say the House of Representatives. Would s/he be eligible for that office? The Answer is NO, because the title of Esquire makes it impossible for that person ever to be eligible for the offices of President, Senator, or Representative. As a resident alien, that person is definitely NOT eligible for election to those offices, nor is that person eligible for naturalization. So, there is no chance that such a person could ever hold such an office, under the supreme Law of the Land.</p>
<p>Let’s take this argument one step further. Assume, for the moment, that John Q. Esquire does get elected to the House of Representatives, by some quirk of circumstances (or intentional cover-up). Would Mr. Esquire be a lawful occupant of that office? Answer: NO. Would Mr. Esquire be capable of exercising the powers and privileges of that office? Answer: NO. Would Mr. Esquire be qualified to vote on the matters which came before that august body? Answer: NO. If Mr. Esquire did attempt to cast a vote on any of the matters which came before the House of Representatives, his vote would be null and void ab initio (from the outset). In other words, his vote would not be a vote at all, would it?</p>
<p>How many Esquires does it take to nullify an act of Congress? One? Two? Fifty-one percent? How many Esquires are presently seated in Congress? Is it greater than fifty-one percent? Is it greater than a quorum? Or does it really take only one Esquire to spoil the whole barrel of apples? Maybe we should reconvene that California common law jury and put this question to them as well, because we now appear to have a really big problem on our hands.</p>
<p>If the Senate and House of Representatives ever consisted of members who were disqualified from serving there by reason of their titles of nobility, then every single act of those bodies was completely null and void from the beginning. As an Illinois State Court once ruled, “it never became a law and was as much a nullity as if it had been the act or declaration of an unauthorized assemblage of individuals.” (Ryan v. Lynch, 68 Ill. 160) A House or Senate consisting of Esquires for members is an unauthorized assemblage of individuals, and ALL their legislation is completely null and void.</p>
<p>Now ask yourself this question: Since the War of 1812, the approximate time at which the original 13th Amendment surely became Law, how many sessions of the House or Senate were conducted by Members who had previously accepted titles of nobility? If your answer is one hundred percent, then you are probably right.</p>
<p>The shocking fact is this: Every session of the House and Senate since 1812 has consisted of members who were attorneys with the title of Esquire conveniently appended to the end of their names. This means that every session of the House and Senate since 1812 has attempted to pass legislation which was null and void from its inception. Do you have any favorite laws which come to mind?</p>
<p>How about the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917? There is a magnificent collection of research by Dr. Eugene Schroder which shows how our vaulted Congress amended this Act in 1933 in order to define all Americans as enemies of the United States government. Were these acts of Congress valid, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.</p>
<p>How about the Federal Reserve Act of 1913? This Act of Congress created our vaulted Federal Reserve system, and the debt money system to which we are all shackled for life (it seems). Was this act of Congress valid, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.</p>
<p>How about the 16th amendment proposal? This Act of Congress sent the 16th Amendment out to the states for ratification in 1911. Another magnificent collection of research by Bill Benson and Red Beckman shows how the 48 states completely botched the ratification of that proposal. Now ask yourself the obvious question: Was Congress authorized to issue that proposal in the first instance, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.</p>
<p>How about the 17th Amendment proposal? This Act of Congress sent the 17th Amendment out to the states for ratification at the same time as the 16th Amendment proposal. It purported to convert the election of U.S. Senators to a popular vote. Under the “old” procedure, Senators were elected by the state legislatures (resulting in much lower campaign costs). Was the Congress authorized to issue that proposal in the first instance, if its members were Esquires at the time of its passage? Answer: NO.</p>
<p>If the 17th Amendment was never properly ratified, then we surely have not had a lawfully convened U.S. Senate at least since 1917. This, then, means that all the treaties which were allegedly approved by the U.S. Senate since then are also null and void. What about GATT? NAFTA? the Genocide Treaty? the United Nations? Round and round we go; where it stops, nobody knows? On the contrary, we stop in 1812, the year of our second war with England. We have not had a lawfully convened Congress at least since the year 1812.</p>
<p>Now, what about those British soldiers who were boarding their warship, guns in hand, at the end of that war? Is it possible that they were not really the vanquished, but the victors? Didn’t they just finish burning the Library of Congress? Wasn’t that where evidence of the original 13th Amendment had been kept, under the watchful eyes of our government record custodians who fled for their lives?</p>
<p>What those soldiers didn’t know was that the original 13th Amendment had “leaked” out to other states, whose record custodians did not suffer the loss of their libraries. When their official versions of the U.S. Constitution show a 13th amendment which bans titles of nobility, and those very same versions do NOT show any ban against slavery (which didn’t pass until after the Civil War), you begin to suspect that something very strange is going on here.</p>
<p>There has not been a single act of Congress since 1812 which has been properly enacted into law. Not a single one! So, you can throw out your Internal Revenue Code, and along with it all of your 50 United States Codes, and your Federal Reserve Act, and your Trading with the Enemy Act, and your treaties, and your federal regulations, and your resolutions and your Joint Interdepartmental delegations of authority, because they had no authority under the real Constitution for the United States of America. NONE!</p>
<p>Attorneys beware.</p>
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		<title>By: Benji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 15:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the constitution was fundamentally flawed. That&#039;s why we have needed 27 amendments to get where we are today.

Does anyone disagree with the right to bear arms (2nd), think we should be allowed slaves (13th), thinks women shouldn&#039;t be allowed to vote (19th)?

Anyone that worships the constitution should keep this in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the constitution was fundamentally flawed. That&#8217;s why we have needed 27 amendments to get where we are today.</p>
<p>Does anyone disagree with the right to bear arms (2nd), think we should be allowed slaves (13th), thinks women shouldn&#8217;t be allowed to vote (19th)?</p>
<p>Anyone that worships the constitution should keep this in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg insists &quot;1995, Idaho had 180,000-200,000 elk&quot; but still no proof.  As far as I can determine, the Idaho population has never been over 120,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg insists &#8220;1995, Idaho had 180,000-200,000 elk&#8221; but still no proof.  As far as I can determine, the Idaho population has never been over 120,000.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Lee, there you go again being affable, I woulda just called me a LIAR and POACHER and a ruthless bastard animal hater killer, you know anti-hunter fella, the more direct approach.

As far as 150 pound wolves go, I know the government trapper done the deed and I believe the man. 

As far as elk being in the woods I never said there were no elk left in Idaho, I said their being decimated by wolves hunting them 24-7-365. Man only gets to hunt them for 2-3 weeks a year. And we only get one per man, not like the wolf who gets 25+ per wolf, and I&#039;m being conservative on the wolfs bag limits.

1995, Idaho had 180,000-200,000 elk....2008 Idaho State Fish and Game claim we have 180,000 elk,, Several hundred hunters and mysself included disagree. There is 20,000 at best.

Why do you think hunters are all buying tags to hunt up north. 

It is not in the best interests of the IFG to be honest about this train wreck their BOSS, the FWS has forced onto them, and us. 

Those people need their jobs, they got mortgages, car payments, kids in school, or college. 

I know what I&#039;m seeing, and is not what they are telling. 

Now I got one elk the wolves ain&#039;t gonna eat, I stole it right out their ravenous mouths...I don&#039;t need to shoot em, or nail them to a tree, and I sure don&#039;t want no filthy wolf hide on my wall. 

STARVATION is what wolves get, thanks to ignorance and over trusting of government number cookers in FWS and IFG. 

Your theory of managment and final death by STARVATION of wolves which ate themselves out of their own damn food supply is on you morons, not us. STARVATION is more BRUTAL than strangulation, trapping, or even CRUCIFIXION, even if it is a CATHOLIC lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Lee, there you go again being affable, I woulda just called me a LIAR and POACHER and a ruthless bastard animal hater killer, you know anti-hunter fella, the more direct approach.</p>
<p>As far as 150 pound wolves go, I know the government trapper done the deed and I believe the man. </p>
<p>As far as elk being in the woods I never said there were no elk left in Idaho, I said their being decimated by wolves hunting them 24-7-365. Man only gets to hunt them for 2-3 weeks a year. And we only get one per man, not like the wolf who gets 25+ per wolf, and I&#8217;m being conservative on the wolfs bag limits.</p>
<p>1995, Idaho had 180,000-200,000 elk&#8230;.2008 Idaho State Fish and Game claim we have 180,000 elk,, Several hundred hunters and mysself included disagree. There is 20,000 at best.</p>
<p>Why do you think hunters are all buying tags to hunt up north. </p>
<p>It is not in the best interests of the IFG to be honest about this train wreck their BOSS, the FWS has forced onto them, and us. </p>
<p>Those people need their jobs, they got mortgages, car payments, kids in school, or college. </p>
<p>I know what I&#8217;m seeing, and is not what they are telling. </p>
<p>Now I got one elk the wolves ain&#8217;t gonna eat, I stole it right out their ravenous mouths&#8230;I don&#8217;t need to shoot em, or nail them to a tree, and I sure don&#8217;t want no filthy wolf hide on my wall. </p>
<p>STARVATION is what wolves get, thanks to ignorance and over trusting of government number cookers in FWS and IFG. </p>
<p>Your theory of managment and final death by STARVATION of wolves which ate themselves out of their own damn food supply is on you morons, not us. STARVATION is more BRUTAL than strangulation, trapping, or even CRUCIFIXION, even if it is a CATHOLIC lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are you going to kill that 150 pounder to hang on the wall? Strangle it? Trap it? Or perhaps nail it up alive and let it suffer.</description>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now were even, I never respected you. I see you took the bait right off didn&#039;t you Lee, I said HUNT them, not KILL them. I could hunt them to spy on them, which I do, or photo them, I do that to. You don&#039;t need to look for them in the dark, how would you see them, AND I am not packing night vision goggles this trip or infra red lighting. I&#039;ll not shoot one even when its legal, if ever. Why would I, can&#039;t eat it, or you could eat it, but I ain&#039;t never gonna eat dog, and if I ain&#039;t gonna eat it, I sure ain&#039;t gonna kill it. Self defense is different, I will protect me and mine. You never knew me enough to respect me Lee, respect is earned in my world, not given. I didn&#039;t sse no wolves for the last three days, just heard them, howling, I howled back, pretty good at howling like a wolf too, I think they like me. I gotta pack and move to 35 for Smoke Pole deer. see ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now were even, I never respected you. I see you took the bait right off didn&#8217;t you Lee, I said HUNT them, not KILL them. I could hunt them to spy on them, which I do, or photo them, I do that to. You don&#8217;t need to look for them in the dark, how would you see them, AND I am not packing night vision goggles this trip or infra red lighting. I&#8217;ll not shoot one even when its legal, if ever. Why would I, can&#8217;t eat it, or you could eat it, but I ain&#8217;t never gonna eat dog, and if I ain&#8217;t gonna eat it, I sure ain&#8217;t gonna kill it. Self defense is different, I will protect me and mine. You never knew me enough to respect me Lee, respect is earned in my world, not given. I didn&#8217;t sse no wolves for the last three days, just heard them, howling, I howled back, pretty good at howling like a wolf too, I think they like me. I gotta pack and move to 35 for Smoke Pole deer. see ya.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/10/27/obama-says-constitution-flawed-framers-didnt-get-it-right/#comment-11081</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg - is it now legal to hunt wolves in the night? Some more SSS?  Mold the law to your own extremes? I used to have some respect for you - no more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg &#8211; is it now legal to hunt wolves in the night? Some more SSS?  Mold the law to your own extremes? I used to have some respect for you &#8211; no more.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually no, wolves now, and deer later, Insults you say ! I was stating facts...You should try the more direct insults Lee, instead of the affable ones you like so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually no, wolves now, and deer later, Insults you say ! I was stating facts&#8230;You should try the more direct insults Lee, instead of the affable ones you like so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, glad to hear that you are thinking. Resorting to insults suits you well.  

Are you hunting for more elk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, glad to hear that you are thinking. Resorting to insults suits you well.  </p>
<p>Are you hunting for more elk?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/10/27/obama-says-constitution-flawed-framers-didnt-get-it-right/#comment-11078</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May have been...May have been...May have been. I never saw no rodeo livestock running thru Moran Junction, the Park North of Jackson, Teton National Park, Union Pass, Or Yellow Boned Park. I&#039;ll stick with several years of Russian Documented Science and Canadian Also. I saw the reply Lee. I chose to ignore it. I am in the back country, via Sat phone connect, and in my wall tent looking at my lap top. Been thinking how dumb you are. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May have been&#8230;May have been&#8230;May have been. I never saw no rodeo livestock running thru Moran Junction, the Park North of Jackson, Teton National Park, Union Pass, Or Yellow Boned Park. I&#8217;ll stick with several years of Russian Documented Science and Canadian Also. I saw the reply Lee. I chose to ignore it. I am in the back country, via Sat phone connect, and in my wall tent looking at my lap top. Been thinking how dumb you are. <img src='http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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