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	<title>Comments on: Can We Conclude There Are More Wolves?</title>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/05/can-we-conclude-there-are-more-wolves/#comment-11639</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See below a post written by a MN rancher that lost 38 head of beef in 2008, he had a herd of 100 calf cow pairs.  I post this in response to the post at the top regarding MN ....

there were 5 incedents with deer hunters last fall where a half dozen wolves tracked the hunters right to there deer stand,some were so scared they will never come back.with the hard winter weve had there will be even less deer then what happens.we had a meeting in lancaster with leroy stumf,dave olin,elk problem and wolves.these people making all the rules just dont get it they figure out the number of wolves or elk that this state can handle from a desk,the number of wolves for mn. is 1,600 now its over 4,000 still not delisted they cant even follow there own rules and we all no what that extra 2,400 wolves are eating beef and it will be a human casuallty sad to say. but enough is enough they make us criminals its to bad they break there own rules cant follow there paper work on the numbers of wolves and arent held accountable so be it .these twenty two wolves here wont ever bother anybody again rules can be broken on both sides you can push rancher or farmers so far and its there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See below a post written by a MN rancher that lost 38 head of beef in 2008, he had a herd of 100 calf cow pairs.  I post this in response to the post at the top regarding MN &#8230;.</p>
<p>there were 5 incedents with deer hunters last fall where a half dozen wolves tracked the hunters right to there deer stand,some were so scared they will never come back.with the hard winter weve had there will be even less deer then what happens.we had a meeting in lancaster with leroy stumf,dave olin,elk problem and wolves.these people making all the rules just dont get it they figure out the number of wolves or elk that this state can handle from a desk,the number of wolves for mn. is 1,600 now its over 4,000 still not delisted they cant even follow there own rules and we all no what that extra 2,400 wolves are eating beef and it will be a human casuallty sad to say. but enough is enough they make us criminals its to bad they break there own rules cant follow there paper work on the numbers of wolves and arent held accountable so be it .these twenty two wolves here wont ever bother anybody again rules can be broken on both sides you can push rancher or farmers so far and its there</p>
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		<title>By: bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there was a reason we shot most of the wolves and that is wolves are dangerous.the only reason these ass hats brought the wolves back was to destroy hunting by destroying dear and elk.shoot them on sight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there was a reason we shot most of the wolves and that is wolves are dangerous.the only reason these ass hats brought the wolves back was to destroy hunting by destroying dear and elk.shoot them on sight.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in NW MN, there are alot of deer here, but just like me, the wolves prefer beef, horses, turkey, and dogs.  Currently I am aware of two packs, one to the east mileabout 25 (pack of 30 wolves ), and one to the west 20 miles, (pack of 22).  I personally know of adults, and children stalked by wolves.  I know of local cases of kills on cattle, horses, dogs, and turkeys.  Last fall the packs, on five occasions followed five different hunters to thier stands, this was 20 miles west of me.

The people that have reported losses of livestock to the DNR do not get paid for most of thier losses, people that are stalked are ignored by DNR, even after articles are written in the paper.  We here, know we are not really going to get compensation or protection.  People here have lost faith in DNR, I believe they have stopped complaing to the DNR, and are doing what they need to do to survive on all levels.  Remember beef are contained to fences feed corn, and are rolly polly fat, they wear out quick, unlike deer, that can run a half mile after being shot in the heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in NW MN, there are alot of deer here, but just like me, the wolves prefer beef, horses, turkey, and dogs.  Currently I am aware of two packs, one to the east mileabout 25 (pack of 30 wolves ), and one to the west 20 miles, (pack of 22).  I personally know of adults, and children stalked by wolves.  I know of local cases of kills on cattle, horses, dogs, and turkeys.  Last fall the packs, on five occasions followed five different hunters to thier stands, this was 20 miles west of me.</p>
<p>The people that have reported losses of livestock to the DNR do not get paid for most of thier losses, people that are stalked are ignored by DNR, even after articles are written in the paper.  We here, know we are not really going to get compensation or protection.  People here have lost faith in DNR, I believe they have stopped complaing to the DNR, and are doing what they need to do to survive on all levels.  Remember beef are contained to fences feed corn, and are rolly polly fat, they wear out quick, unlike deer, that can run a half mile after being shot in the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/05/can-we-conclude-there-are-more-wolves/#comment-11636</link>
		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re on the same page, Toby, and I&#039;m glad to see that other people remember and recognize the fact the it was with the &quot;open warfare&quot; on wolves that we were able to bring back the elk and deer from pitiful populations....But today, people think that the wolf is &quot;better&quot; than the deer and elk, or that they can exist &quot;in harmony&quot; with wolves....seems like all the past experiences we&#039;ve had in this country have to be learned all over again. Since they neither hunt or leave their autos or homes, they have much to learn....but don&#039;t!  Instead of listening to the people who do hunt and are in the woods enough to know what is happening, they go online and read articles about it.....and believe it if it is in print.....They have no reference of their own. They believe what they want....even if it is not right or true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re on the same page, Toby, and I&#8217;m glad to see that other people remember and recognize the fact the it was with the &#8220;open warfare&#8221; on wolves that we were able to bring back the elk and deer from pitiful populations&#8230;.But today, people think that the wolf is &#8220;better&#8221; than the deer and elk, or that they can exist &#8220;in harmony&#8221; with wolves&#8230;.seems like all the past experiences we&#8217;ve had in this country have to be learned all over again. Since they neither hunt or leave their autos or homes, they have much to learn&#8230;.but don&#8217;t!  Instead of listening to the people who do hunt and are in the woods enough to know what is happening, they go online and read articles about it&#8230;..and believe it if it is in print&#8230;..They have no reference of their own. They believe what they want&#8230;.even if it is not right or true.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, it&#039;s the SR25 Stoner .308  ridin shotgun with me and target acquisition upon opportunity is the game everyday...with prejuidice....Bam.

Allthough catching dogs in the open with the 700 RMK 151 at night is a hoot...BUMP HOWL hoot....

Wish I could see that game...no tell-a-lie-vision here no more though...I wonder if the Steelers get Screwed by the CARDINALS today....hey hey...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it&#8217;s the SR25 Stoner .308  ridin shotgun with me and target acquisition upon opportunity is the game everyday&#8230;with prejuidice&#8230;.Bam.</p>
<p>Allthough catching dogs in the open with the 700 RMK 151 at night is a hoot&#8230;BUMP HOWL hoot&#8230;.</p>
<p>Wish I could see that game&#8230;no tell-a-lie-vision here no more though&#8230;I wonder if the Steelers get Screwed by the CARDINALS today&#8230;.hey hey&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Bridges</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/05/can-we-conclude-there-are-more-wolves/#comment-11634</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 15:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jes...You get no argument from me.  I do believe we are on the same page.  I&#039;ve just gotten a little sick and tired of all the back and forth over who should do the killing.  I think that any wolf that steps off a National Park should be a legal target for whoever can squeeze off the first shot. 

In the Marine Corps we use to call them &quot;Targets of Opportunity!&quot;

I&#039;m headed up to a buddies place today to watch the Super Bowl...and he lives in the foothills of the Bitterroots...and like a good Marine...I&#039;ll have my long range .308 Norma Mag ridin&#039; shotgun.  You never know when a &quot;Target of Opportunity&quot; just might show up...as they have on occassion.

Toby Bridges
LOBO WATCH
Missoula, MT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jes&#8230;You get no argument from me.  I do believe we are on the same page.  I&#8217;ve just gotten a little sick and tired of all the back and forth over who should do the killing.  I think that any wolf that steps off a National Park should be a legal target for whoever can squeeze off the first shot. </p>
<p>In the Marine Corps we use to call them &#8220;Targets of Opportunity!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m headed up to a buddies place today to watch the Super Bowl&#8230;and he lives in the foothills of the Bitterroots&#8230;and like a good Marine&#8230;I&#8217;ll have my long range .308 Norma Mag ridin&#8217; shotgun.  You never know when a &#8220;Target of Opportunity&#8221; just might show up&#8230;as they have on occassion.</p>
<p>Toby Bridges<br />
LOBO WATCH<br />
Missoula, MT</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/05/can-we-conclude-there-are-more-wolves/#comment-11633</link>
		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what they told us their &quot;wolf control&quot; would be in the first place! &quot;Closely managed packs&quot; in the national parks and forests.....and it&#039;s now a wildfire that is burning our elk and deer to the ground...Just like other political promises, it&#039;s not what they promise, it what you end up with ....a short stick!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what they told us their &#8220;wolf control&#8221; would be in the first place! &#8220;Closely managed packs&#8221; in the national parks and forests&#8230;..and it&#8217;s now a wildfire that is burning our elk and deer to the ground&#8230;Just like other political promises, it&#8217;s not what they promise, it what you end up with &#8230;.a short stick!</p>
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		<title>By: Toby Bridges</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/05/can-we-conclude-there-are-more-wolves/#comment-11632</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby Bridges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 19:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love a good firey debate...but while everyone is fightin&#039; and fudin&#039; over what to do about wolves...elk and deer are dying.

Face it, the wolf is the end product of nearly a million years of evolution,,,and the end product is one of the most efficient killing machines on the face of the Earth.  

I find it strange that with the wolf conspicuously absent for alomost all of the 1900s...deer and elk herds were brought back from near oblivion to, in some regions, record levels.  Now that we have this bunch of several thousand imported Canadian mangey mongrels running through the Northern Rockies big game populations are beginning to take a serious down turn.  

Wolves simply aren&#039;t reading the script written for them by the idiots of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, or by the likes of the &quot;wildlife experts&quot; of the Sierra Club, Defenders of Wildlife, Earth Justice, or the two-faced Humane Society of the United States, and a few others.  Wolves cannot peacefully coexist with all other living creatures - which they consider prey.  

We are at the point where we must accept one fact, those who defend the wolf&#039;s presence in the settled inter-mountain West are either ignorant or just plain stupid.  Likewise, we have to accept that anything that comes from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, regarding wolf impact on &quot;other native wildlife&quot;, is probably a lie.  In the same light, those of you who like to quote things from the Minnesota DNR need to talk to the sportsmen in those areas where some 3,000 wolves have pretty much free rein.  You&#039;ll get an entirely different story.  Too much of what the MN DNR knows about &quot;their wolves&quot; is right out of their training manuals.

Here&#039;s a thought...for those who want wolves, we should work toward keeping a viable population of about 100 wolves on each of our huge national parks - such as Glacier, Yellowstone, Olympic, Yosemite, Rocky Mountain, etc.  and the size of those packs needs to be closely managed and culled to prevent total annihilation of the &quot;other native wildlife&quot; found in those parks.  And then, if any of those wolves step across the boundary of those parks, they should be eliminated by anyone at any time.  Now, that&#039;s wolf control that most could live with - especially our elk and deer herds.

Toby Bridges
LOBO WATCH
Missoula, MT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love a good firey debate&#8230;but while everyone is fightin&#8217; and fudin&#8217; over what to do about wolves&#8230;elk and deer are dying.</p>
<p>Face it, the wolf is the end product of nearly a million years of evolution,,,and the end product is one of the most efficient killing machines on the face of the Earth.  </p>
<p>I find it strange that with the wolf conspicuously absent for alomost all of the 1900s&#8230;deer and elk herds were brought back from near oblivion to, in some regions, record levels.  Now that we have this bunch of several thousand imported Canadian mangey mongrels running through the Northern Rockies big game populations are beginning to take a serious down turn.  </p>
<p>Wolves simply aren&#8217;t reading the script written for them by the idiots of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, or by the likes of the &#8220;wildlife experts&#8221; of the Sierra Club, Defenders of Wildlife, Earth Justice, or the two-faced Humane Society of the United States, and a few others.  Wolves cannot peacefully coexist with all other living creatures &#8211; which they consider prey.  </p>
<p>We are at the point where we must accept one fact, those who defend the wolf&#8217;s presence in the settled inter-mountain West are either ignorant or just plain stupid.  Likewise, we have to accept that anything that comes from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, regarding wolf impact on &#8220;other native wildlife&#8221;, is probably a lie.  In the same light, those of you who like to quote things from the Minnesota DNR need to talk to the sportsmen in those areas where some 3,000 wolves have pretty much free rein.  You&#8217;ll get an entirely different story.  Too much of what the MN DNR knows about &#8220;their wolves&#8221; is right out of their training manuals.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a thought&#8230;for those who want wolves, we should work toward keeping a viable population of about 100 wolves on each of our huge national parks &#8211; such as Glacier, Yellowstone, Olympic, Yosemite, Rocky Mountain, etc.  and the size of those packs needs to be closely managed and culled to prevent total annihilation of the &#8220;other native wildlife&#8221; found in those parks.  And then, if any of those wolves step across the boundary of those parks, they should be eliminated by anyone at any time.  Now, that&#8217;s wolf control that most could live with &#8211; especially our elk and deer herds.</p>
<p>Toby Bridges<br />
LOBO WATCH<br />
Missoula, MT</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/05/can-we-conclude-there-are-more-wolves/#comment-11631</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 17:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jes, I was responding to George&#039;s statement &quot; If you want to start a Bible class Jes and I will direct you.&quot; to which i replyed  &quot;George and jes, will you direct me  in - - - - - ? &quot;

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g If you want to start a Bible class Jes and I will direct you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jes, I was responding to George&#8217;s statement &#8221; If you want to start a Bible class Jes and I will direct you.&#8221; to which i replyed  &#8220;George and jes, will you direct me  in &#8211; - &#8211; - &#8211; ? &#8221;</p>
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<p>g If you want to start a Bible class Jes and I will direct you.</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happy New Year!
On the first day...
The Creation of the World

1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:  2 &quot;Who is this that darkens my counsel
       with words without knowledge?
 3 Brace yourself like a man;
       I will question you,
       and you shall answer me.
 4 &quot;Where were you when I laid the earth&#039;s foundation?
       Tell me, if you understand.
 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
       Who stretched a measuring line across it?
 6 On what were its footings set,
       or who laid its cornerstone-
 7 while the morning stars sang together
       and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?
 8 &quot;Who shut up the sea behind doors
       when it burst forth from the womb,
 9 when I made the clouds its garment
       and wrapped it in thick darkness,
 10 when I fixed limits for it
       and set its doors and bars in place,
 11 when I said, &#039;This far you may come and no farther;
       here is where your proud waves halt&#039;?
 12 &quot;Have you ever given orders to the morning,
       or shown the dawn its place,
 13 that it might take the earth by the edges
       and shake the wicked out of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year!<br />
On the first day&#8230;<br />
The Creation of the World</p>
<p>1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.<br />
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.<br />
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:  2 &#8220;Who is this that darkens my counsel<br />
       with words without knowledge?<br />
 3 Brace yourself like a man;<br />
       I will question you,<br />
       and you shall answer me.<br />
 4 &#8220;Where were you when I laid the earth&#8217;s foundation?<br />
       Tell me, if you understand.<br />
 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!<br />
       Who stretched a measuring line across it?<br />
 6 On what were its footings set,<br />
       or who laid its cornerstone-<br />
 7 while the morning stars sang together<br />
       and all the angels [a] shouted for joy?<br />
 8 &#8220;Who shut up the sea behind doors<br />
       when it burst forth from the womb,<br />
 9 when I made the clouds its garment<br />
       and wrapped it in thick darkness,<br />
 10 when I fixed limits for it<br />
       and set its doors and bars in place,<br />
 11 when I said, &#8216;This far you may come and no farther;<br />
       here is where your proud waves halt&#8217;?<br />
 12 &#8220;Have you ever given orders to the morning,<br />
       or shown the dawn its place,<br />
 13 that it might take the earth by the edges<br />
       and shake the wicked out of it?</p>
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