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		<title>By: TLM</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2008/12/18/myths-of-wolf-behavior/#comment-11864</link>
		<dc:creator>TLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was over to Idaho for Wildlife&#039;s website and it had a link to this story.  This information is important, more so now after the tragic death recently in Alaska.

Posting to the YPTimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was over to Idaho for Wildlife&#8217;s website and it had a link to this story.  This information is important, more so now after the tragic death recently in Alaska.</p>
<p>Posting to the YPTimes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - One of the dangers that result from documentaries like those you speak of is that what is being portrayed in somewhat accurate BUT incomplete.

I don&#039;t know if you have read Dr. Geist&#039;s article &quot;When Do Wolves Become Dangerous to Humans?&quot; -  http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2008/01/28/when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans/

In this article as he lays out the seven steps we should be aware of, many of those steps are talked about in these documentaries. Fortunately AND unfortunately, these people have not realized all the steps yet. Presented the opportunity they will happen and the result could be tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; One of the dangers that result from documentaries like those you speak of is that what is being portrayed in somewhat accurate BUT incomplete.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if you have read Dr. Geist&#8217;s article &#8220;When Do Wolves Become Dangerous to Humans?&#8221; &#8211;  <a href="http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2008/01/28/when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans/" rel="nofollow">http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2008/01/28/when-do-wolves-become-dangerous-to-humans/</a></p>
<p>In this article as he lays out the seven steps we should be aware of, many of those steps are talked about in these documentaries. Fortunately AND unfortunately, these people have not realized all the steps yet. Presented the opportunity they will happen and the result could be tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 20:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom-

I have been researching wolves and dogs for about ten years, as I have bred German Sheperds, Labs, and poms.  Ten years ago I found that Wolf Center in Ely, MN on the net.  I was looking for information about wolves, due to finding wolf tracks in the mud close to the house, and my grandma continued to warn me about not letting the children alone out in the yard, even in daylight.  Back then everyting I found about wolves was that they would not harm.  However, I never did believe that to be true.  I bought two well bred german Sheperds as a alert system...  At that time I had one horse, and no other animals.  I remeber when these dogs matured they did ward off things in the night, I could see them with thier teeth showing and hair on thier necks standing straight up.  These two dogs were loyal soldiers, but one night they both disappeared,  never found remains.  Do not know for sure what happened..I moved 25 miles south shortly after, and found there is more wolves here. I have seen the damage and know of kids being stalked.  In Dec. 2006, I finially made my way to that wolf instuite in Ely, MN.  Very interesting, I asked the workers there alot of questions, finially they admitted that if they are sick even with a head cold, or just under the weather (bummed out) they do not go into the enlosure, someone else ues the wheel barrow to haul in the road killed deer.  They learned a few lessons in thier studies.  These wolves are socialized by humans, raise from pups.

Yeah, your right, people are funny, as they would insult someone tring to warn people from harm.  I guess some people are only book smart and know only what they read and hear, while others have common sense,  and life experience.

Have you ever seen that show, where as that woman does that documentry on wolves.  In the end, she lies down in a field, face down, as the wolves circle round closer and closer until they are touching and licking her.   She claims that the wolves are just curious friendly animals.  Then she leaves the area, show over.  This show has promoted many people to believe this is reality...  I think that if she would have stayed a while and continued to encounter these wolves, she would have found another side to them, as the Grizzy Man found out.  In that show the wolves had never encountered humans before.  I believe this show fooled many people into a false sense of security.  What do ya think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom-</p>
<p>I have been researching wolves and dogs for about ten years, as I have bred German Sheperds, Labs, and poms.  Ten years ago I found that Wolf Center in Ely, MN on the net.  I was looking for information about wolves, due to finding wolf tracks in the mud close to the house, and my grandma continued to warn me about not letting the children alone out in the yard, even in daylight.  Back then everyting I found about wolves was that they would not harm.  However, I never did believe that to be true.  I bought two well bred german Sheperds as a alert system&#8230;  At that time I had one horse, and no other animals.  I remeber when these dogs matured they did ward off things in the night, I could see them with thier teeth showing and hair on thier necks standing straight up.  These two dogs were loyal soldiers, but one night they both disappeared,  never found remains.  Do not know for sure what happened..I moved 25 miles south shortly after, and found there is more wolves here. I have seen the damage and know of kids being stalked.  In Dec. 2006, I finially made my way to that wolf instuite in Ely, MN.  Very interesting, I asked the workers there alot of questions, finially they admitted that if they are sick even with a head cold, or just under the weather (bummed out) they do not go into the enlosure, someone else ues the wheel barrow to haul in the road killed deer.  They learned a few lessons in thier studies.  These wolves are socialized by humans, raise from pups.</p>
<p>Yeah, your right, people are funny, as they would insult someone tring to warn people from harm.  I guess some people are only book smart and know only what they read and hear, while others have common sense,  and life experience.</p>
<p>Have you ever seen that show, where as that woman does that documentry on wolves.  In the end, she lies down in a field, face down, as the wolves circle round closer and closer until they are touching and licking her.   She claims that the wolves are just curious friendly animals.  Then she leaves the area, show over.  This show has promoted many people to believe this is reality&#8230;  I think that if she would have stayed a while and continued to encounter these wolves, she would have found another side to them, as the Grizzy Man found out.  In that show the wolves had never encountered humans before.  I believe this show fooled many people into a false sense of security.  What do ya think?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris - It is an education process. I find it interesting that as soon as I or anyone else offers up something, supported by facts, that is contrary to the talking points on wolves, I/we get accused of being a wolf killer and want them all dead.

If I had my druthers, I would have fought harder to keep the wolves from being brought in, although I think in time they would have returned on there own, as what happened in Northwest Montana.

But they are here and we need to dispel the myths about wolves so that others, like Kenton Carnegie don&#039;t suffer a needless death.

Thanks for your comments. It&#039;s funny. I just got a negative comment from someone from Montana who actually insulted me quite a bit saying that I never offered anything but opinion and I never support anything I write with facts, etc.

People are funny that&#039;s for sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris &#8211; It is an education process. I find it interesting that as soon as I or anyone else offers up something, supported by facts, that is contrary to the talking points on wolves, I/we get accused of being a wolf killer and want them all dead.</p>
<p>If I had my druthers, I would have fought harder to keep the wolves from being brought in, although I think in time they would have returned on there own, as what happened in Northwest Montana.</p>
<p>But they are here and we need to dispel the myths about wolves so that others, like Kenton Carnegie don&#8217;t suffer a needless death.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comments. It&#8217;s funny. I just got a negative comment from someone from Montana who actually insulted me quite a bit saying that I never offered anything but opinion and I never support anything I write with facts, etc.</p>
<p>People are funny that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarging &quot;Mr. Carnegie also was a strict vegetarian!&quot;

I do not think that was a factor, as wolves kill and eat bears and dogs, which eat both meat and non meat.  My assumption is that Mr. Carnegie did not try to run until he realized he was being attacked.  It sounds like he thought the wolves where harmless as they approached him and he took pictures, believeing the media that wolves do not attack humans.  Later when he realized the truth, it was already to late and he paniacked.  If he believed that wolves were a threat to him, he would have never gone out alone, unarmed.

To me, the people that promoted the lies about the wolf, by ignorance or malaice are responsible for Mr. Carnegies horrific death, along with the wolves.  LIES cause harm...to both people and wolves...

In the past I have seen my dogs curiosly approach and lick new farm animal to include cats, chickens,calves, pigs: at first I thought thing were going well, but then notice the dog gets rougher and rougher, have to pull the dog off to avoid a full blown attack.  Some dogs that I have had, (LABS) all you have to do is show the dog the animal, and say &quot;no&quot; &amp; &quot;nice&quot;, but the German Sheperds, and get this, pomeranians, were relentless and refused to get it, as instinct to kill is strong.  Need to be kenneled for the safty of other animals.  Sheperds are very closely related to wolves, I will say some  Sherperds behave better than others.  My point is the correlation in behavior before an attack.

Thanks Tom, for taking the time to educate people and getting the truth out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarging &#8220;Mr. Carnegie also was a strict vegetarian!&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not think that was a factor, as wolves kill and eat bears and dogs, which eat both meat and non meat.  My assumption is that Mr. Carnegie did not try to run until he realized he was being attacked.  It sounds like he thought the wolves where harmless as they approached him and he took pictures, believeing the media that wolves do not attack humans.  Later when he realized the truth, it was already to late and he paniacked.  If he believed that wolves were a threat to him, he would have never gone out alone, unarmed.</p>
<p>To me, the people that promoted the lies about the wolf, by ignorance or malaice are responsible for Mr. Carnegies horrific death, along with the wolves.  LIES cause harm&#8230;to both people and wolves&#8230;</p>
<p>In the past I have seen my dogs curiosly approach and lick new farm animal to include cats, chickens,calves, pigs: at first I thought thing were going well, but then notice the dog gets rougher and rougher, have to pull the dog off to avoid a full blown attack.  Some dogs that I have had, (LABS) all you have to do is show the dog the animal, and say &#8220;no&#8221; &amp; &#8220;nice&#8221;, but the German Sheperds, and get this, pomeranians, were relentless and refused to get it, as instinct to kill is strong.  Need to be kenneled for the safty of other animals.  Sheperds are very closely related to wolves, I will say some  Sherperds behave better than others.  My point is the correlation in behavior before an attack.</p>
<p>Thanks Tom, for taking the time to educate people and getting the truth out.</p>
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		<title>By: T. Michael Riddle</title>
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		<dc:creator>T. Michael Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Carnegie also was a strict vegetarian!

The Wolf (like our modern domestic dogs) relies upon their sense of &quot;Smell&quot;  more so than any of their other 4 senses.

Fear, coupled with the pungent scent of adrenaline and the smell of an &quot;herbivore&quot; fleeing in fright  were the unfortunate combination of events which led up to poor Mr. Carnegie&#039;s  demise at the fangs of the wolves.

I also agree that updated and comprehensive information is needed on wolf behavior so that people will &quot;know&quot; what they are up against as they venture into the wilderness and into a predators domain.

People do not even know enough about domestic canine behavior in the suburbs as is evidenced by the high amounts of attacks and even (in some cases) deaths which we experience each year.

A dog (or any canine) cannot see any better than a human being, it is their highly developed sense of smell which will lead them around in pitch blackness. It then {appears} to us that they can see in the dark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Carnegie also was a strict vegetarian!</p>
<p>The Wolf (like our modern domestic dogs) relies upon their sense of &#8220;Smell&#8221;  more so than any of their other 4 senses.</p>
<p>Fear, coupled with the pungent scent of adrenaline and the smell of an &#8220;herbivore&#8221; fleeing in fright  were the unfortunate combination of events which led up to poor Mr. Carnegie&#8217;s  demise at the fangs of the wolves.</p>
<p>I also agree that updated and comprehensive information is needed on wolf behavior so that people will &#8220;know&#8221; what they are up against as they venture into the wilderness and into a predators domain.</p>
<p>People do not even know enough about domestic canine behavior in the suburbs as is evidenced by the high amounts of attacks and even (in some cases) deaths which we experience each year.</p>
<p>A dog (or any canine) cannot see any better than a human being, it is their highly developed sense of smell which will lead them around in pitch blackness. It then {appears} to us that they can see in the dark!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a 40 page publication put out by the Alaska wildlife department in 2002 titled  &quot;Case Histories of Known Wolf-Human Encounters in  Alaska and Canada&quot; written by Mark McNay ;  Technical Bulletin # 13.  The author contacted over 60 people and has 80 cases which he describes.  Most of the encounters are within the past 30 years but there were a few in the 1940s and one in 1900. There were 39 aggressive encounters with healthy wolves, 29 nonaggressive, 12 by known or suspected rabid wolves.  There were 6 serious bites;  no deaths.  Kenton Carnegie died after publication.  Interesting and informative reading.

http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs/techb13_full.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a 40 page publication put out by the Alaska wildlife department in 2002 titled  &#8220;Case Histories of Known Wolf-Human Encounters in  Alaska and Canada&#8221; written by Mark McNay ;  Technical Bulletin # 13.  The author contacted over 60 people and has 80 cases which he describes.  Most of the encounters are within the past 30 years but there were a few in the 1940s and one in 1900. There were 39 aggressive encounters with healthy wolves, 29 nonaggressive, 12 by known or suspected rabid wolves.  There were 6 serious bites;  no deaths.  Kenton Carnegie died after publication.  Interesting and informative reading.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs/techb13_full.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.wc.adfg.state.ak.us/pubs/techpubs/research_pdfs/techb13_full.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: G MOCK</title>
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		<dc:creator>G MOCK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also believed at one time that wolves didn&#039;t attack humans. In recent years,even the last decade I have been hearing more and more about wolf attacks on people.This article helps me favor the side of reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also believed at one time that wolves didn&#8217;t attack humans. In recent years,even the last decade I have been hearing more and more about wolf attacks on people.This article helps me favor the side of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: ar</title>
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		<dc:creator>ar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 04:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Tom.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Tom.  Thanks.</p>
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