Update: 14th Amendment’s Due Process Clause Incorporated Into 2nd Amendment

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Yesterday I introduced you to a brand new story of the Ninth Circuit Court’s decision that seems to essentially take the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, specifically the “due process” clause and incorporate it into the 2nd Amendment when making decisions on gun rights cases.

I have yet to complete reading the entire ruling and far be it from me to begin to fully understand this case, the ruling and what we can expect from it in the future. There is someone, far more educated in these things than I and considerably more able to explain this.

Clayton Cramer, someone who assisted in the briefing process of the Supreme Court’s hearing of District of Columbia vs. Heller, begins to explain to his readers about Nordyke v. King.

Tom Remington

Greg F Farber

These dolts are going to turn the right to bare arms into a collective right and not and individual right. All these thugs involved in these Court Cases very likely had one semester of Constitutional Law while earning their Roman Degree to practice Roman Civil law.

The Annals of Congress, The Congressional Globe, and the Congressional Records, give the correct position on the 2nd Amendment, and it has stood the test of 233 years, now these vipers including Heller are damning it to fall.

These pugs do not have the minimum five years of Constitutional Education required to be making any arguments of this 2nd Amendment period. Reading all their briefs I detect sabotage. The entire Bill of Rights are personal rights we the people own. PERIOD. The Second Amendment is not addressed to states ! But addressed to Individuals, People and Citizen means the same damn thing. These idiots in these court cases are fools, and saboteurs..

Clayton Cramer almost gets it, but not quite.He falls short due to a semester at best himself of proper schooling .Allowing the Courts to define this is foolish..That is what the enemy wants, it is only a matter of time before they define in their favor and we lose our right to defend against personal injury or death, it does not matter who the foe be, It is a God Given Right and Rome wishes to steal it away..

They can not get it done with their stolen Congress so now they attempt to use the court.. I have never read such utter nonsense !! I am going to do my own blog on this even if it takes two frigging weeks to write it..

As well the 14th Amendment was never ratified by the required three fourths of the states, that is a damn fact, and these thugs will never address it. It was proclaimed ratified on July 28, 1868.. A day of national mourning for truly educated men in the Constitution and Biblical Freedom, and a day of mourning for me. Rome pushed us into hell with that Luciferian Red Amendment…Now they twist it to encircle the Second, and it does not do so PERIOD. These LIARS know no bounds…
Greg F Farber

I meant to say “collective privilege. ” The first court case to attempt this nonsense was United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876). Prior to the 14th Amendment we had RIGHTS–Not Federal granted privilege’s, which is what the 14th does to us, it takes away our states rights and our sovereign de-jure rights and turns them into federal privileges.

So they are attempting to incorporate the Second Amendment into the reading of their never ratified by three fourths of the states red amendment and call it a collective privilege, then it is not a right according to this trickery and they can systematically disarm who ever they want while we watch and do nothing. Claiming the 14th protects our second amendment privilege from the state we reside in is laughable. The state government prior to the 14th was a sovereign nation over and above the federal government, and the first original 13 amendments prove it. And I am talking about the 13th Amendment they hid, which is the ” Titles and Nobility Clause.”

This amendment existed and the ratification archives exist and prove it. Since 1876 the foundation for this fraud to include our second in their fourteenth has been argued and used in speeches many times. Their counting on eventually making it a privilege and confiscation then becomes easy, they think. It is more indoctrination, and unread men will be tricked by this effort. The right to bare arms is ancient, older than our bill of rights, As far back as Alfred the Great this Right was recognized, his reign began in 872 A.D. The right to bare arms is not up for debate and only fools in Kangaroo Courts do so..The 14th is null and void. As all illegal documents are.

” Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the CONSTITUTION, which can only end in a distorted bastardized form of illegitimate government.” —James Madison

They have spent over 180 years attempting to twist and distort this Amendment, Don’t fall for it anymore…

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the Right of the People to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.

It is very simple, yet look at the efforts they make to bastardize it by making it complex… And once they beat it long enough and use the courts to redefine it, a stacked Liberal Supreme Court will eventually kill it with lies…That is the plan and strategy and the so-called protectors of this second amendment are helping this effort, either by intent or mistake, but their helping..

Thomas Jefferson said ” To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions is a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”

Trusting any of those fools licensed to argue law today and in the last 140 years shall now be included in that meaning above by Jefferson…All of those people are card carrying members of the same fraternity..the fraternity of fools.—Greg Farber

The second Amendment is not the only backbone to this right either, the 4th and 5th as well support it. Guns are private property. As well the powers delegated to the federal government found in Article 1, section 8, clauses 1-8, as far as gun control is concerned and once we read these sections we find there is nothing whatsoever, in any shape or form, and under no disguise period, it is not in these delegated powers, the second Amendment cannot be overridden by the President, the House and the Senate. not now, not anytime, not ever.

That is why they build these false foundations in their courts. I believe this strategy was planned even prior to the false ratification of the 14th Amendment, and those wanting to disarm this American populance knew it would take over 100 years to do it, because they simply needed to change the American peoples mind set first, well we know this has taken place, and their getting away with it today..Their false foundation is taking shape…We are fighting against a collective mind set, a collective set of false privileges, and the collective ideal that private property is a thing of the past…

Not my guns boys, not today not tomorrow, not ever..
Tom Remington

Greg – A point of clarification or more to the point, here’s a question of which I haven’t the answer.

The claim that seems to be going around that this ruling in Nordyke v. King is that one of the Amendments is being “incorporated” into the other. The question is which is which.

You stated above that “Claiming the 14th protects our second amendment privilege from the state we reside in is laughable.” Is that what the ruling claims? Or is it claiming that the incorporation protects the states from federal gun regulations?
Greg F Farber

The 14th does not protect the states from any federal regulations but enforces them..Even though older Supreme Court Cases held that amendment’s prohibition against states depriving any persons of their federal “privileges” and “immunities” was to be given a narrow construction. In particular, the ” privileges and immunities” under the constitution would refer only to those rights which were not felt to exist as a process of natural right, but which were created solely by the constitution.

. We must take the 14th from the muddied waters and clear up the debate once and for all…This amendment is null and void in reality..even as it exists in fraud..Once it is out of the mind one can clear this 2A. true definitions and rightful dividing of the founders wording and true intentions..The biggest mistake is calling this Right to bear arms a civil right, the fed allows civil rights, God granted me and you natural rights, to defend life and liberty and the pursuit of peaceable endeavor, not a federal governments privilege, which the 14th only can provide..

.The bottom line is the 14th is attempting to swallow up the 1st thru the 10th Amendments and make the states powerless, and the fed is attempting to claim all jurisdiction over the second with this tactic, they do have this de-facto power in reality, but must move with deception as this case shows in order to firmly take command of this legal fraud and shut down attempts as Montana recently tried to do. I say to these legal beagles bring forth those original 7-28-1868 signed by the three fourths states of that era once and for all, and prove to us this ratification is valid.

..YOU WILL NOT DO SO GENTLEMEN, and then we can get back to the states Constitutions and those second Amendments and the 10th Amendment specifically and your debate is over…We become Nationals with Sovereignty and owners of natural Rights granted by God, and your license issuing can cease and desist…Stop clouding the truth with U.S. Court deception . I trust our Idaho State Constitution and its wording just fine thanks…Put your federal Constitution right side up–actual ratified Amendments only please, and guess what boys, It supports the states rights to sovereignty as well….

Then the federal government can preside in jurisdiction over the District of Columbia in its entirety and pull in its horns, and get the hell outta our lives and gun cabinets once again..As those first real ratified amendments only allow…1 through 13…

You see it was a Constitutional requirement that the states Constitutions were in line with the Federal Constitution before allowing them entry into our Confederated Union—-So the 14th and those court cases are laughable…clouds and smoke with a mirror or two…

Tell the pope I said ta ta for now.

Update: 14th Amendment’s Due Process Clause Incorporated Into 2nd Amendment

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