Comments on: A Warning To Outdoor Users About Echinococcus, From Worms http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms Black Bear Blog - The Politics of Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors. Protecting our American Heritage. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 04:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lee http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16169 Lee Thu, 07 Oct 2010 00:34:06 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16169 Re the discussion regarding bighorn sheep and domestic sheep; http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/3/706 Re the discussion regarding bighorn sheep and domestic sheep;
http://www.jwildlifedis.org/cgi/content/abstract/46/3/706

]]> By: TLM http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16168 TLM Wed, 06 Oct 2010 21:16:05 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16168 In only a 9 year period from 1979 to 1988 in Romania 8557 people were hospitalized with Hydatid disease and 516 people died, http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/fpd.2009.0489 from jlr's link: "Treatment of human intermediate hosts consists of removal of the hydatid cyst(s). Removal of the cyst(s) is recommended for pastoral infections but cysts of sylvatic origin may allow for a more conservative treatment. If surgery is performed to remove the cyst(s), a course of drugs (the drug of choice is Albendazole) is prescribed to kill any remaining tapeworm larvae that might still be in the body. The disease may not always be cured by surgery." In only a 9 year period from 1979 to 1988 in Romania 8557 people were hospitalized with Hydatid disease and 516 people died,

http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/fpd.2009.0489

from jlr’s link:

“Treatment of human intermediate hosts consists of removal of the hydatid cyst(s). Removal of the cyst(s) is recommended for pastoral infections but cysts of sylvatic origin may allow for a more conservative treatment. If surgery is performed to remove the cyst(s), a course of drugs (the drug of choice is Albendazole) is prescribed to kill any remaining tapeworm larvae that might still be in the body. The disease may not always be cured by surgery.”

]]> By: jes http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16167 jes Wed, 06 Oct 2010 09:42:30 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16167 Lee, if you look at the blue "nametag" preceding the post, you will find it is a link.....as are all of those in blue. Lee, if you look at the blue “nametag” preceding the post, you will find it is a link…..as are all of those in blue.

]]> By: Lee http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16166 Lee Wed, 06 Oct 2010 01:30:56 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16166 jlr " The website will explain how this is associated with E. Granulosus." Which web site? jlr

” The website will explain how this is associated with E. Granulosus.”

Which web site?

]]> By: jlr http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16165 jlr Tue, 05 Oct 2010 20:47:11 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16165 For those of you who don't think this is a real thing, I live in Montana and a friend of mine (who happens to be an avid outdoorsmand) just got diagnosed with Echinococcosis. The website will explain how this is associated with E. Granulosus. At first they thought it was pleurisy, however, after numerous tests the results came back for Echinococcosis. I wonder how many cases of pleurisy are out there that are misdiagnosed. For those of you who don’t think this is a real thing, I live in Montana and a friend of mine (who happens to be an avid outdoorsmand) just got diagnosed with Echinococcosis. The website will explain how this is associated with E. Granulosus. At first they thought it was pleurisy, however, after numerous tests the results came back for Echinococcosis. I wonder how many cases of pleurisy are out there that are misdiagnosed.

]]> By: ar http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16163 ar Sat, 12 Dec 2009 19:06:17 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16163 You believe in the Here-after, don't you? Then, you know what 'we" are here after. You believe in the Here-after, don’t you?

Then, you know what ‘we” are here after.

]]> By: jes http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16162 jes Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:58:14 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16162 Amen, Tom....Amen! Unfortunately, the "manipulation" of scientific research is an ongoing event....much to the detriment of "true science" and TRUTH...It is as corrupt as any corrupt politician, and is as much a bribe as any payola... Amen, Tom….Amen! Unfortunately, the “manipulation” of scientific research is an ongoing event….much to the detriment of “true science” and TRUTH…It is as corrupt as any corrupt politician, and is as much a bribe as any payola…

]]> By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16161 Tom Remington Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:09:16 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16161 Lee - I don't need further research into bighorn sheep to make this statement: ""What that really means is that partners don’t want to invest their money into labs that won’t give them the results they are seeking." In actuality you proved my suspicion. The statement I made is speaking in general, referencing just about anything "scientific" these days and not specific to the sheep issue. In your own bias, I believe you assumed that I was dumping on the Idaho Statesman, that made that comment, in support of Bulgin. I was not! One of the biggest contaminants of scientific research comes from the money behind it. Let's not kid ourselves. It has been shown repeatedly that the "science" is manipulated to achieve desired results in order to satisfy the "donors" to keep the flow of money coming. Lee – I don’t need further research into bighorn sheep to make this statement: “”What that really means is that partners don’t want to invest their money into labs that won’t give them the results they are seeking.”

In actuality you proved my suspicion. The statement I made is speaking in general, referencing just about anything “scientific” these days and not specific to the sheep issue.

In your own bias, I believe you assumed that I was dumping on the Idaho Statesman, that made that comment, in support of Bulgin.

I was not! One of the biggest contaminants of scientific research comes from the money behind it. Let’s not kid ourselves. It has been shown repeatedly that the “science” is manipulated to achieve desired results in order to satisfy the “donors” to keep the flow of money coming.

]]> By: jes http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16160 jes Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:24:41 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16160 Lee, you state that "if you look at the facts regarding bighorns and domestic sheep you will find that the bighorn is suffering serious population losses when the two come in contact." Exactly what facts are you referring to? You state Neil Thagard's same assertion, that the Bighorn are susceptible to the same diseases and suffer when in contact with sheep...yet he names no references or studies that have yet been reviewed carefully and accepted by those in the same profession. Need I remind you that much research is done with insufficient credibility and improper methodology....Just what are you referring to? You don't usually find sheep in the wild lingering with their tame cousins, but if they are that crowded, then there would be reason for moving one or the other out, I would agree...any crowded animals would suffer from that, as does mankind. Maybe some meeting of the minds in what is best for both the sheep and the sheepherders is in order....but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Maybe you should have visited one of your ranching cousins and learned how livestock and wildlife can not only co-exist with each other, but actually benefit each other as well....I have seen it from first hand throughout my life! Maybe your research needs some hands-on experience..... Lee, you state that “if you look at the facts regarding bighorns and domestic sheep you will find that the bighorn is suffering serious population losses when the two come in contact.”

Exactly what facts are you referring to? You state Neil Thagard’s same assertion, that the Bighorn are susceptible to the same diseases and suffer when in contact with sheep…yet he names no references or studies that have yet been reviewed carefully and accepted by those in the same profession. Need I remind you that much research is done with insufficient credibility and improper methodology….Just what are you referring to?

You don’t usually find sheep in the wild lingering with their tame cousins, but if they are that crowded, then there would be reason for moving one or the other out, I would agree…any crowded animals would suffer from that, as does mankind. Maybe some meeting of the minds in what is best for both the sheep and the sheepherders is in order….but let’s not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Maybe you should have visited one of your ranching cousins and learned how livestock and wildlife can not only co-exist with each other, but actually benefit each other as well….I have seen it from first hand throughout my life! Maybe your research needs some hands-on experience…..

]]> By: Greg Farber http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2009/12/10/a-warning-to-outdoor-users-about-echinococcus-from-worms/#comment-16159 Greg Farber Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:18:31 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=8626#comment-16159 The Global Biodiversity Assessment Report directed by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) calls for urgent action to reverse the effects of unsustainable human activities on global biodiversity, including but not limited to the following: PAGE REFERENCES from "The Global Biodiversity Assessment Report" 337 Ski Runs 350 Grazing of Livestock: cows, sheep, goats, horses 351 Disturbance of the Soil Surface - Page 350 Large hoofed animals, compaction of soil, reducing filtration 351 Fencing of Pastures or Paddocks 728 Agriculture 728 Modern Farm Production Systems 728 Chemical Fertilizers 728 Herbicides 728 Building Materials 730 Industrial Activities 730 Human-Made caves of brick and mortar, concrete and steel 730 Paved and Tarred roads, highways, rails (page 351) 730 Railroads 730 Floor and Wall Tiles 733 Aquaculture 733 Technology Improvements 733 Farmlands, Rangelands 733 Pastures, Rangelands 733 Pastures 733 Fish Ponds 733 Plantations 738 Modern Hunting 738 Harvesting of Timber 749 Logging Activities 728 Fossil Fuels - Used for driving various kinds of machines 755 Dams, Reservoirs, Straightening Rivers 757 Power Line Construction 763 Economic systems that fail to set a proper value on the environment 763 Inappropriate Social Structures 763 Weaknesses in Legal and Institutional Systems 766, 838 Modern Attitudes toward nature - Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions 767, 782 Private Property 771 Population Growth - Human Population Density 773 Consumerism 774 Fragmentation of Habitat - cemeteries, derelict lands, rubbish tips, etc. 774 Sewers, Drain Systems, Pipelines 783 Land use that serves human needs 969 Fisheries 970 Golf Courses 970 Scuba Diving 728 Synthetic drugs 990 Fragmentation - Agricultural development, Forestry Urbanization (impervious surfaces) The Global Biodiversity Assessment Report directed by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) calls for urgent action to reverse the effects of unsustainable human activities on global biodiversity, including but not limited to the following:

PAGE REFERENCES from “The Global Biodiversity Assessment Report”

337
Ski Runs

350
Grazing of Livestock: cows, sheep, goats, horses

351
Disturbance of the Soil Surface – Page 350 Large hoofed animals, compaction of soil, reducing filtration

351
Fencing of Pastures or Paddocks

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Agriculture

728
Modern Farm Production Systems

728
Chemical Fertilizers

728
Herbicides

728
Building Materials

730
Industrial Activities

730
Human-Made caves of brick and mortar, concrete and steel

730
Paved and Tarred roads, highways, rails (page 351)

730
Railroads

730
Floor and Wall Tiles

733
Aquaculture

733
Technology Improvements

733
Farmlands, Rangelands

733
Pastures, Rangelands

733
Pastures

733
Fish Ponds

733
Plantations

738
Modern Hunting

738
Harvesting of Timber

749
Logging Activities

728
Fossil Fuels – Used for driving various kinds of machines

755
Dams, Reservoirs, Straightening Rivers

757
Power Line Construction

763
Economic systems that fail to set a proper value on the environment

763
Inappropriate Social Structures

763
Weaknesses in Legal and Institutional Systems

766, 838
Modern Attitudes toward nature – Judaeo-Christian-Islamic religions

767, 782
Private Property

771
Population Growth – Human Population Density

773
Consumerism

774
Fragmentation of Habitat – cemeteries, derelict lands, rubbish tips, etc.

774
Sewers, Drain Systems, Pipelines

783
Land use that serves human needs

969
Fisheries

970
Golf Courses

970
Scuba Diving

728
Synthetic drugs

990
Fragmentation – Agricultural development, Forestry Urbanization (impervious surfaces)

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