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	<title>Comments on: Ed Bangs, USFWS: &quot;They&#039;re No Big Deal&quot; re: Wolves</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Lueders</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Lueders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 11:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Remington, I&#039;d like to see you back up your rediculous statements with science!</description>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg
Where is this (or was) the Zumwalt herd?</description>
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Where is this (or was) the Zumwalt herd?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/01/30/ed-bangs-usfws-theyre-no-big-deal-re-wolves/#comment-16799</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 14:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike - Thank you for correcting me on that. According to the Idaho F&amp;G website, the woodland caribou is listed as an endangered species in Bonner and Boundary Counties, the two northernmost counties in Idaho&#039;s panhandle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; Thank you for correcting me on that. According to the Idaho F&amp;G website, the woodland caribou is listed as an endangered species in Bonner and Boundary Counties, the two northernmost counties in Idaho&#8217;s panhandle.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Endangered Species Act (ESA) is an abomination, as it opens the door for federal authority over State sovereignty. The US Constitution grants the federal government no authority over wildlife! Under the Constitution, States have jurisdiction over essentially all land. Beginning in 1900, federal officials operating under the &quot; commerce clause &quot; enforced federal law to gain authority over certain poaching activities. The adoption of the initial Endangered Species Act was in the 1940s and the current Endangered Species Act of 1973 is based on a United Nations model.  If you think foreigners dreaming this crap up (ESA) are Americans friends, you are a ignorant fool.   It is the U.N.s wolf and it is doing a wonderful job destroying hunting opportunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Endangered Species Act (ESA) is an abomination, as it opens the door for federal authority over State sovereignty. The US Constitution grants the federal government no authority over wildlife! Under the Constitution, States have jurisdiction over essentially all land. Beginning in 1900, federal officials operating under the &#8221; commerce clause &#8221; enforced federal law to gain authority over certain poaching activities. The adoption of the initial Endangered Species Act was in the 1940s and the current Endangered Species Act of 1973 is based on a United Nations model.  If you think foreigners dreaming this crap up (ESA) are Americans friends, you are a ignorant fool.   It is the U.N.s wolf and it is doing a wonderful job destroying hunting opportunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend living up there who says the Caribou are not doing so well due to wolves predations..

I would like to know where the Zumwalt elk herd has gone, and the Bull Trout Lake- Banner elk  Ridge herd, their gone, And the Elk Creek, Bridal Vail herd, their gone..  Dust in the wind no doubt, reduced to a Hydatid spore.  And the White Hawk Basin Elk herd.........  And the.......

My boycott has ended after one year, nothing left to do but shoot the illegal United Nations Canadian dog.

Three yotes have bit the dust..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend living up there who says the Caribou are not doing so well due to wolves predations..</p>
<p>I would like to know where the Zumwalt elk herd has gone, and the Bull Trout Lake- Banner elk  Ridge herd, their gone, And the Elk Creek, Bridal Vail herd, their gone..  Dust in the wind no doubt, reduced to a Hydatid spore.  And the White Hawk Basin Elk herd&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;  And the&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>My boycott has ended after one year, nothing left to do but shoot the illegal United Nations Canadian dog.</p>
<p>Three yotes have bit the dust..</p>
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		<title>By: Mikel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 05:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
 Actually there is a small herd of Caribou up north of Priest River which is in North Idaho. They run from Canada across the border into Idaho. Wonder how well they&#039;ll do with the wolves around.
Phillip- Get a clue if you don&#039;t know, don&#039;t speak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
 Actually there is a small herd of Caribou up north of Priest River which is in North Idaho. They run from Canada across the border into Idaho. Wonder how well they&#8217;ll do with the wolves around.<br />
Phillip- Get a clue if you don&#8217;t know, don&#8217;t speak.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Remington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Remington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phillip - I think you have it backwards. You landed on this site which is loaded with hundreds and hundreds of articles laced with link after link to resources that support any and all claims.
You are the one who has presented claims about how elk, moose, caribou and deer populations are the highest they&#039;ve been, all happening since wolf reintroduction. You need to provide resources to back your claims.

And by the way. You do realized this particular discussion takes place in the West, around Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Oregon and Washington? There are no caribou there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip &#8211; I think you have it backwards. You landed on this site which is loaded with hundreds and hundreds of articles laced with link after link to resources that support any and all claims.<br />
You are the one who has presented claims about how elk, moose, caribou and deer populations are the highest they&#8217;ve been, all happening since wolf reintroduction. You need to provide resources to back your claims.</p>
<p>And by the way. You do realized this particular discussion takes place in the West, around Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, Oregon and Washington? There are no caribou there.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live smack in the middle of this wolf reintroduction, I have watched wild life for forty+ years, Most of that time doing hard time in the back country, watching elk herds, in winter, summer, spring and fall, The decimation of the elk and deer is the truth, the surplus of wolves in Idaho is the truth,  The Sierra Club, NWF, WWP, DOW, FWS, are all anti hunting groups, and their ultimate goal is to destroy that right, these groups crap on the Declaration of Independence daily.  These groups look to estimates by IDFG which is attempting to gain control of the wolf population because they know, even though the do not directly admit it, the wolves are wiping out the elk.  The  more time goes on, the more even the blind deniers of the real truth of what is happening here on the ground, or the front lines of this information war, will know that truth, and they will shut up finally.

NO ELK  NO WOLVES- PERIOD..  WAKE UP TO THE REAL TRUTH AND SAVE THEM BOTH, AND STOP BEING A DUMBASS MORON....

There are those of us who argued this truth finally admitted to by IDFG four to five years before the below statement..  That is how far behind the truth some morons really are.

Elk numbers in the Lolo and Sawtooth elk management zones are seriously depressed – by wolf predation. The science (years of high quality elk and wolf population radio-telemetry data) is clear. Wolf predation is depressing elk production well below what we should expect for the habitat quality in those zones. Elk habitat quality was following a natural, declining trend after the 1910 fires. The depressed elk production and the factors contributing to that depression is a combination of habitat quality AND substantial wolf predation on productive cow and calf elk.
---Mark Gamblin--South West Director Idaho Fish and Game..August 15, 2009, 2:40 pm


The Lolo and Sawtooth Zones the recent, sharp decline in elk productivity and recruitment I referred to is due to wolf predation of productive cows and their calves, not hunting mortality. The radio-telemety data we have for cows and calves in those zones gives us the fate of each collared elk and allows us to accurately estimate the wolf predation rate of cows and calves. Having good baseline data for these elk populations from previous years, including hunting harvest data, we can say with certainty that wolf predation has pushed elk production and recruitment in these two zones below levels that have required substantial reductions in the elk hunting opportunity that was allowable with essentially the same habitat when wolves were introduced. HOW we manage this new wildlife population dynamic (elk-wolf) and the necessary changes in public uses and benefits of those resources is of course our challenge.--- Mark Gamblin -----South West Director Idaho Fish and Game..August 15, 4:08 pm

  “From a wildlife perspective, there’s no question that this growing wolf population has had a devastating impact on our elk populations and our moose populations,” he said. “Our scientists’ and biologists’ studies on all these collared packs indicate that each wolf eats an average of 16 elk per year, so if you do the math and are being conservative, our 1,000 wolves are eating 16,000 elk per year.”   Randy Budge-- Southern Director Idaho Fish and Game.. 2-5-10

Just because a person hunts and or ranches or is involved in those activities does not qualify them as a liar, as is the Sierra Club, DOW, WWP, FWS,  ELK foundation, (what a Joke)  All agenda driven groups, supporting the U.N. final take over of these lands, forests, and wild game.. By any means necessary, including Lying..   Included is the agenda to stop hunting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live smack in the middle of this wolf reintroduction, I have watched wild life for forty+ years, Most of that time doing hard time in the back country, watching elk herds, in winter, summer, spring and fall, The decimation of the elk and deer is the truth, the surplus of wolves in Idaho is the truth,  The Sierra Club, NWF, WWP, DOW, FWS, are all anti hunting groups, and their ultimate goal is to destroy that right, these groups crap on the Declaration of Independence daily.  These groups look to estimates by IDFG which is attempting to gain control of the wolf population because they know, even though the do not directly admit it, the wolves are wiping out the elk.  The  more time goes on, the more even the blind deniers of the real truth of what is happening here on the ground, or the front lines of this information war, will know that truth, and they will shut up finally.</p>
<p>NO ELK  NO WOLVES- PERIOD..  WAKE UP TO THE REAL TRUTH AND SAVE THEM BOTH, AND STOP BEING A DUMBASS MORON&#8230;.</p>
<p>There are those of us who argued this truth finally admitted to by IDFG four to five years before the below statement..  That is how far behind the truth some morons really are.</p>
<p>Elk numbers in the Lolo and Sawtooth elk management zones are seriously depressed – by wolf predation. The science (years of high quality elk and wolf population radio-telemetry data) is clear. Wolf predation is depressing elk production well below what we should expect for the habitat quality in those zones. Elk habitat quality was following a natural, declining trend after the 1910 fires. The depressed elk production and the factors contributing to that depression is a combination of habitat quality AND substantial wolf predation on productive cow and calf elk.<br />
&#8212;Mark Gamblin&#8211;South West Director Idaho Fish and Game..August 15, 2009, 2:40 pm</p>
<p>The Lolo and Sawtooth Zones the recent, sharp decline in elk productivity and recruitment I referred to is due to wolf predation of productive cows and their calves, not hunting mortality. The radio-telemety data we have for cows and calves in those zones gives us the fate of each collared elk and allows us to accurately estimate the wolf predation rate of cows and calves. Having good baseline data for these elk populations from previous years, including hunting harvest data, we can say with certainty that wolf predation has pushed elk production and recruitment in these two zones below levels that have required substantial reductions in the elk hunting opportunity that was allowable with essentially the same habitat when wolves were introduced. HOW we manage this new wildlife population dynamic (elk-wolf) and the necessary changes in public uses and benefits of those resources is of course our challenge.&#8212; Mark Gamblin &#8212;&#8211;South West Director Idaho Fish and Game..August 15, 4:08 pm</p>
<p>  “From a wildlife perspective, there’s no question that this growing wolf population has had a devastating impact on our elk populations and our moose populations,” he said. “Our scientists’ and biologists’ studies on all these collared packs indicate that each wolf eats an average of 16 elk per year, so if you do the math and are being conservative, our 1,000 wolves are eating 16,000 elk per year.”   Randy Budge&#8211; Southern Director Idaho Fish and Game.. 2-5-10</p>
<p>Just because a person hunts and or ranches or is involved in those activities does not qualify them as a liar, as is the Sierra Club, DOW, WWP, FWS,  ELK foundation, (what a Joke)  All agenda driven groups, supporting the U.N. final take over of these lands, forests, and wild game.. By any means necessary, including Lying..   Included is the agenda to stop hunting.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a joke of an article!  This is a typical hunting article created by hunters to devistate wolves and people who support them.  Elk foundation state that elk population sin Wyoming, Idaho and Montana are at their highest they have been in two decades and it all began after the reintroduction of wolves.  Other sources (Fish and Wildlife, Sierra Club, NWF, etc) say that moose, caribou and deer populations are at their highest in the past 10 decades. you guys don&#039;t have any fact, just your created and fabricated views to portray wolves in a negative way.  Others share your views?  Who are the others, hunters?  Good back up resource you have there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a joke of an article!  This is a typical hunting article created by hunters to devistate wolves and people who support them.  Elk foundation state that elk population sin Wyoming, Idaho and Montana are at their highest they have been in two decades and it all began after the reintroduction of wolves.  Other sources (Fish and Wildlife, Sierra Club, NWF, etc) say that moose, caribou and deer populations are at their highest in the past 10 decades. you guys don&#8217;t have any fact, just your created and fabricated views to portray wolves in a negative way.  Others share your views?  Who are the others, hunters?  Good back up resource you have there!</p>
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