Comments on: Maine Should Bring Back Snaring http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=maine-should-bring-back-snaring Black Bear Blog - The Politics of Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors. Protecting our American Heritage. Sat, 26 May 2012 15:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Christien Hooper http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17156 Christien Hooper Tue, 28 Sep 2010 23:22:49 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17156 I absolutely agree 100%. The only way to ever bring the deer population in Maine back up is probably to introduce snaring again. The guy who said above that the deer aren't killed on the ice like that is talking out the anus. I've personally seen quite a few deer pushed out onto the ice by three to five yotes at a time. Yet again, people complain about the lack of deer every year, everyone knows the problem, but it's not just the state that isn't doing anything about it. It's just as much the hunters fault, to sit back and let it happen. Invest in a spotlight, take a trapping course, do something to contribute. The only way to help the situation is to do it ourselves. I completely agree that snaring is the most ideal way to take care of the problem as a whole. The deer to coyote ratio has substantially gone up, on the coyote end that is. The way snares are manufactured now, it's almost impossible for any other animal to be caught in it, other than what it's intended for. I hope to see it someday in the near future. I absolutely agree 100%. The only way to ever bring the deer population in Maine back up is probably to introduce snaring again. The guy who said above that the deer aren’t killed on the ice like that is talking out the anus. I’ve personally seen quite a few deer pushed out onto the ice by three to five yotes at a time. Yet again, people complain about the lack of deer every year, everyone knows the problem, but it’s not just the state that isn’t doing anything about it. It’s just as much the hunters fault, to sit back and let it happen. Invest in a spotlight, take a trapping course, do something to contribute. The only way to help the situation is to do it ourselves. I completely agree that snaring is the most ideal way to take care of the problem as a whole. The deer to coyote ratio has substantially gone up, on the coyote end that is. The way snares are manufactured now, it’s almost impossible for any other animal to be caught in it, other than what it’s intended for. I hope to see it someday in the near future.

]]> By: Tom http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17155 Tom Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:18:07 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17155 Paul, Sorry for the delay ... just happened to come across your reply. In this case, I can say that these deer were not just killed and left to rot. These deer were retrieved from the water, under the ice, etc. They were not found dead on top of the ice. I'm not familiar with many cases where deer are killed by coyotes and left unless they've been disturbed. One reason in northern and eastern Maine is that deer numbers are so low, that when a coyote does kill one, it's usually cleaned up in very little time. I have seen one occasion in western Maine where we found 4 or 5 carcasses in a deer yard that were killed and left in the late winter / early spring. I do believe these deer were as close to a "cache" as coyotes get ... meaning that I believe they were killing a putting up food in support of a den. I can't prove it ... it was our thinking at the time (probably 25 years ago) looking things over closely. Paul,
Sorry for the delay … just happened to come across your reply. In this case, I can say that these deer were not just killed and left to rot. These deer were retrieved from the water, under the ice, etc. They were not found dead on top of the ice. I’m not familiar with many cases where deer are killed by coyotes and left unless they’ve been disturbed. One reason in northern and eastern Maine is that deer numbers are so low, that when a coyote does kill one, it’s usually cleaned up in very little time. I have seen one occasion in western Maine where we found 4 or 5 carcasses in a deer yard that were killed and left in the late winter / early spring. I do believe these deer were as close to a “cache” as coyotes get … meaning that I believe they were killing a putting up food in support of a den. I can’t prove it … it was our thinking at the time (probably 25 years ago) looking things over closely.

]]> By: Scott Berry http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17154 Scott Berry Sun, 07 Mar 2010 08:38:43 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17154 If the snaring was stopped because of the hound hunters complaining, Why not have two seasons? They do it for bearhunting. The fact of the matter is, hound hunters don't like trapping and trappers don't like hound hunters. But we all know we have to stick together or we will lose it all. We all know about the bear referendum a couple of years ago,If the animal rights groups would have gone after one at a time (hound hunting or trapping) would it have passed? The bottom line all sportsmen must stick together no matter what your sport is. This is my opinion what is yours? If the snaring was stopped because of the hound hunters complaining, Why not have two seasons? They do it for bearhunting. The fact of the matter is, hound hunters don’t like trapping and trappers don’t like hound hunters. But we all know we have to stick together or we will lose it all. We all know about the bear referendum a couple of years ago,If the animal rights groups would have gone after one at a time (hound hunting or trapping) would it have passed? The bottom line all sportsmen must stick together no matter what your sport is. This is my opinion what is yours?

]]> By: Paul D http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17153 Paul D Sun, 07 Mar 2010 07:58:08 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17153 Tom, I'm not trying to have an online argument that gets to heated either, but you can't say with certainty that these animals weren't killed and left to rot. If I didn't know better myself about surplus killing or sport killing by predators and only listened to the propaganda that's put out by FWS and State Fish and Game departments all over this country I my believe you. I live in Idaho and three years ago a hunting guide found thirteen calf elk slaughtered by wolves (large coyotes) and one was partially consumed and the rest were left. There was no ice or river there were just thirteen animals of my and my states citizens' valuable resource destroyed! Our Fand G keeps saying it's habitat habitat habitat, and it's just not true. If you want to see the results of real science and the impact of predators on prey species look up the 3 Bar experiment on the net and it will blow your mind the with predators and with out predators. No threats here Tom R just a praise report for you telling the truth. Thanx Tom, I’m not trying to have an online argument that gets to heated either, but you can’t say with certainty that these animals weren’t killed and left to rot. If I didn’t know better myself about surplus killing or sport killing by predators and only listened to the propaganda that’s put out by FWS and State Fish and Game departments all over this country I my believe you. I live in Idaho and three years ago a hunting guide found thirteen calf elk slaughtered by wolves (large coyotes) and one was partially consumed and the rest were left. There was no ice or river there were just thirteen animals of my and my states citizens’ valuable resource destroyed! Our Fand G keeps saying it’s habitat habitat habitat, and it’s just not true. If you want to see the results of real science and the impact of predators on prey species look up the 3 Bar experiment on the net and it will blow your mind the with predators and with out predators. No threats here Tom R just a praise report for you telling the truth. Thanx

]]> By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17149 Tom Remington Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:29:31 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17149 Perhaps I'm a bit too sensitive from the non stop death threats and gutless comments I get in my email box from demented people. My apologies for being so defensive. Perhaps I’m a bit too sensitive from the non stop death threats and gutless comments I get in my email box from demented people. My apologies for being so defensive.

]]> By: Tom http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17148 Tom Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:20:16 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17148 Wow ... I don't intend to get into one of those all too common internet mud slinging and name calling exercises seen all too often on websites. Do not take my last statement out of context ... it was specifically directed at a picture and the description of what the viewer is looking at, and the fact that the details are not accurate. That is all. I made no claim of minimizing the impacts of coyotes or the many dilemmas facing the deer herd across the northern half of the state. The deer in the picture drowned. Some of the drownings may have been caused by being chased across the river and falling through, but we'll never know. The description does not even mention drowning, and in fact describes something very different. I wasn't "invoking" anything about MDIF&W. I wasn't scoffing. I didn't blow smoke or divert anything. My last statement was intended as a plea to not undermine one's position or credibility by mis-representation. I regret if it wasn't interpreted that way. That's all. Wow … I don’t intend to get into one of those all too common internet mud slinging and name calling exercises seen all too often on websites. Do not take my last statement out of context … it was specifically directed at a picture and the description of what the viewer is looking at, and the fact that the details are not accurate. That is all. I made no claim of minimizing the impacts of coyotes or the many dilemmas facing the deer herd across the northern half of the state. The deer in the picture drowned. Some of the drownings may have been caused by being chased across the river and falling through, but we’ll never know. The description does not even mention drowning, and in fact describes something very different. I wasn’t “invoking” anything about MDIF&W. I wasn’t scoffing. I didn’t blow smoke or divert anything. My last statement was intended as a plea to not undermine one’s position or credibility by mis-representation. I regret if it wasn’t interpreted that way. That’s all.

]]> By: Tom Remington http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17147 Tom Remington Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:56:51 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17147 The photo was provided by Dave Tobey to illustrate an example of what takes place all across Maine. Coyotes are intelligent creatures and have come to understand the helplessness of deer once driven onto ice. And you are invoking "fact and truth are all we need"? Are you also invoking "facts and truth are all we need" from the MDIFW? The same MDIFW who repeats that predators are not a problem? The same MDIFW that will only blame snow and loggers for no deer? The same MDIFW who seemingly allowed Gardner Land Company to violate a contract and destroy a large deer wintering area? The same MDIFW who refuses to stand up and fight for their own wildlife management programs? There's far more to this story than whether or not I might have exaggerated claims. You are creating a smoke screen, diverting attention away from a very serious problem. One the MDIFW seems to want to scoff at people for bringing up the subject, especially when it has hit directly in their back yards. The photo was provided by Dave Tobey to illustrate an example of what takes place all across Maine. Coyotes are intelligent creatures and have come to understand the helplessness of deer once driven onto ice. And you are invoking “fact and truth are all we need”? Are you also invoking “facts and truth are all we need” from the MDIFW? The same MDIFW who repeats that predators are not a problem? The same MDIFW that will only blame snow and loggers for no deer? The same MDIFW who seemingly allowed Gardner Land Company to violate a contract and destroy a large deer wintering area? The same MDIFW who refuses to stand up and fight for their own wildlife management programs?

There’s far more to this story than whether or not I might have exaggerated claims. You are creating a smoke screen, diverting attention away from a very serious problem. One the MDIFW seems to want to scoff at people for bringing up the subject, especially when it has hit directly in their back yards.

]]> By: Tom http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17146 Tom Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:33:46 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17146 I have to take you to task on the last picture showing the carcasses of deer laid out on the ice. I am familiar with that situation and it was NOT the result of what was described. We lost a significant number of deer that winter to treacherous ice conditions on the St. Croix River that was caused by shell ice formation due to fluctuating water levels. Deer cross between New Brunswick, CA and Maine at the same locations, and this particular year, many broke through the ice when crossing and were unable to get back up, got hypothermic and/or swept under the ice and drowned. A local fellow who used to snare the St. Croix corridor went in and found additional carcasses to what is shown above. Coyotes were blamed for chasing the deer out, and there may have been some of that. But deer cross through the course of the winter and it was obvious that much of this tragedy was due to treacherous ice conditions. It was a devastating loss for the local / regional deer population to be sure. It undermines the reliability and believability of a report when exaggerated claims are made to try and convince people or to prove a point. Facts and the truth are all we need! I have to take you to task on the last picture showing the carcasses of deer laid out on the ice. I am familiar with that situation and it was NOT the result of what was described. We lost a significant number of deer that winter to treacherous ice conditions on the St. Croix River that was caused by shell ice formation due to fluctuating water levels. Deer cross between New Brunswick, CA and Maine at the same locations, and this particular year, many broke through the ice when crossing and were unable to get back up, got hypothermic and/or swept under the ice and drowned. A local fellow who used to snare the St. Croix corridor went in and found additional carcasses to what is shown above. Coyotes were blamed for chasing the deer out, and there may have been some of that. But deer cross through the course of the winter and it was obvious that much of this tragedy was due to treacherous ice conditions. It was a devastating loss for the local / regional deer population to be sure. It undermines the reliability and believability of a report when exaggerated claims are made to try and convince people or to prove a point. Facts and the truth are all we need!

]]> By: jes http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/02/23/maine-should-bring-back-snaring/#comment-17145 jes Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:59:27 +0000 http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/?p=9420#comment-17145 This guy has the right idea, but why would anyone want to preserve the deer in Maine? Oh, that's right, they make good coyote food.....Maybe they need to import the wolves back there, since man took away their land, after all it belonged to them, didn't it? That way, between the wolves and coyotes, no deer would be around to tempt hunters into killing them....after all, isn't that a sin, committing murder? But the little fur bearers must be saved at all costs, even it we have to evacuate Maine and the rest of the colonies and put all the men on a boat and send them back to Noah? I did spell that right, didn't I? This guy has the right idea, but why would anyone want to preserve the deer in Maine? Oh, that’s right, they make good coyote food…..Maybe they need to import the wolves back there, since man took away their land, after all it belonged to them, didn’t it? That way, between the wolves and coyotes, no deer would be around to tempt hunters into killing them….after all, isn’t that a sin, committing murder? But the little fur bearers must be saved at all costs, even it we have to evacuate Maine and the rest of the colonies and put all the men on a boat and send them back to Noah? I did spell that right, didn’t I?

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