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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like the word is winnowing, not willowing, just to set the record straight..(no wonder it wasn&#039;t in the dictionary, haw)
Matthew 3:12 &quot;His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like the word is winnowing, not willowing, just to set the record straight..(no wonder it wasn&#8217;t in the dictionary, haw)<br />
Matthew 3:12 &#8220;His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 19:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preparation is always smart, I am still a Boy Scout when it comes to being prepared!
We are in peril, to be sure, even though at times the government looks more and more like Big Brother from G. Orwell...But I am in no way certain that if and/or when that day comes, I will much survive it, myself, as my years are getting long in the tooth...

As the Lord says, there is always time for the harvest, and until then, let the tares grow among the wheat, until He comes to gather them, separate them, and then willow the wheat, and burn the tares...(and I find willow isn&#039;t even listed in the dictionary anymore, but it used to mean beating off the chaff and letting the chaff blow away..)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preparation is always smart, I am still a Boy Scout when it comes to being prepared!<br />
We are in peril, to be sure, even though at times the government looks more and more like Big Brother from G. Orwell&#8230;But I am in no way certain that if and/or when that day comes, I will much survive it, myself, as my years are getting long in the tooth&#8230;</p>
<p>As the Lord says, there is always time for the harvest, and until then, let the tares grow among the wheat, until He comes to gather them, separate them, and then willow the wheat, and burn the tares&#8230;(and I find willow isn&#8217;t even listed in the dictionary anymore, but it used to mean beating off the chaff and letting the chaff blow away..)</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 15:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jes- I agree on the history needing to be very carefully evaluated and thought through. But the history that I was referring to takes a lot let thought. It address&#039; the current &#039;it could never happen here&#039; mentality.

We know for a fact.....
That hard times, and I mean really hard times can happen here.
Civil unrest and even civil war, can happen here.
We seen the 2nd most powerful nation in the world crumble, what makes people think it couldn&#039;t happen here?

Considering we know this to be factual information, it seems preparation is prudent. Especially when we see the same situations that lead up to those happening.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jes- I agree on the history needing to be very carefully evaluated and thought through. But the history that I was referring to takes a lot let thought. It address&#8217; the current &#8216;it could never happen here&#8217; mentality.</p>
<p>We know for a fact&#8230;..<br />
That hard times, and I mean really hard times can happen here.<br />
Civil unrest and even civil war, can happen here.<br />
We seen the 2nd most powerful nation in the world crumble, what makes people think it couldn&#8217;t happen here?</p>
<p>Considering we know this to be factual information, it seems preparation is prudent. Especially when we see the same situations that lead up to those happening.</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 10:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, lets hope your head won&#039;t explode, and whoever shoots your way misses, and you don&#039;t!

Seriously, the threat to you and your family is something politicians must deal with. And I have the feeling that plays into the compromises that we see even presidents being subject to, especially when you&#039;re dealing with the big boys and high stakes...

And the only trouble with history, is that it is constantly being re-written by those who would like to us to believe what they think is the truth, even when it is not....When you carefully look at &quot;history&quot;, you find there is very little evidence, and sometimes even the evidence is subject to just how and who recorded it...But not to let that discourage us from learning as much as possible about it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, lets hope your head won&#8217;t explode, and whoever shoots your way misses, and you don&#8217;t!</p>
<p>Seriously, the threat to you and your family is something politicians must deal with. And I have the feeling that plays into the compromises that we see even presidents being subject to, especially when you&#8217;re dealing with the big boys and high stakes&#8230;</p>
<p>And the only trouble with history, is that it is constantly being re-written by those who would like to us to believe what they think is the truth, even when it is not&#8230;.When you carefully look at &#8220;history&#8221;, you find there is very little evidence, and sometimes even the evidence is subject to just how and who recorded it&#8230;But not to let that discourage us from learning as much as possible about it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 10:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was posted 19 hours ago, on facebook:
http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/Kagan.pdf
The fact the NRA took this long to take sides, is not a good sign for this member. But the sad fact is, is that, without a filibuster, which these days seems like a nuclear bomb to the congress, (something only used as a last ditch, God save us, PUSH THE DAMN BUTTON tactic) there is nothing going to stop the nomination.

Just what did they, you, or me expect from an Obama nomination?

And, Tom, I suspect there was something to this rumor, after all....maybe nothing we can put or finger on, but something went on which slowed the process of them finally getting off their asses and posting this letter....And some good came from the grapevine which prompted the NRA to get off their ass.....Thanks for spreading the grapes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was posted 19 hours ago, on facebook:<br />
<a href="http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/Kagan.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/Kagan.pdf</a><br />
The fact the NRA took this long to take sides, is not a good sign for this member. But the sad fact is, is that, without a filibuster, which these days seems like a nuclear bomb to the congress, (something only used as a last ditch, God save us, PUSH THE DAMN BUTTON tactic) there is nothing going to stop the nomination.</p>
<p>Just what did they, you, or me expect from an Obama nomination?</p>
<p>And, Tom, I suspect there was something to this rumor, after all&#8230;.maybe nothing we can put or finger on, but something went on which slowed the process of them finally getting off their asses and posting this letter&#8230;.And some good came from the grapevine which prompted the NRA to get off their ass&#8230;..Thanks for spreading the grapes!</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jes- all of my guns are in a safe, not for my kids, trust me they very much know better, but for those friends of theirs that I have no trust in their knowledge. My girls all know, if they want to burn up some gunpowder, dad is always game for that. They were taught at as early of an age as they could process the information, the realities and the dangers involved with all firearms. I have a very shocking way of demonstrating that, that imprints it in their brains. And girls are by nature much less likely to be so intrigued with them as boys. A right brain / left brain thing I guess. Maybe the ONE positive thing about raising girls.

As far as the other issue&#039;s, I spend about 90% of my time trying to reason with people and challenging their minds to think one level deeper, to get involved, be aware and to stop being freaking lemmings.

Our society has been so dumbed down I find it a difficult task, but I make progress with some people, and some are of no hope. You take your wins and move on.

Voting is a perfect example, people in other parts of the world risk their lives to have their vote. In this nation if 30% show it&#039;s considered a great turnout. And of that 30%, 95% vote on a 30 second clip of lies pushed at them over the tube by a politician. The very sad reality is, that I don&#039;t think there is a chance in hell of it ever changing until a crash of real proportions happens. When people of this nation experience real hardship, perhaps then, just maybe, they will wake up and realize what their slumber and ignorance has cost them. I have not missed one election, on any issue, even local, since I was of legal age to cast a vote. What does that place me in? The top 1%, maybe 5% at most. That is a sad statement.

If I have one thing to offer this society, I hope it is the ability to get people to think. I spread it far and wide, and irl, I am talking to folks about this stuff all the time. I make progressives heads explode ( something I truly enjoy) and try to convince people the left / right paradigm is a manufactured hoax. Greg is spot on, even if people don&#039;t want to admit it or face it. I have seen some of his sources, I have logically evaluated the evidence, and it makes me sick to my stomach. We have one very valuable tool and advantage over those from the past. We have history to learn from, and anyone ignoring it is bound to suffer severely.  I have been asked on several occasions to run for local office. But one of two things would happen, my head would explode or someone would take a hit out on me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jes- all of my guns are in a safe, not for my kids, trust me they very much know better, but for those friends of theirs that I have no trust in their knowledge. My girls all know, if they want to burn up some gunpowder, dad is always game for that. They were taught at as early of an age as they could process the information, the realities and the dangers involved with all firearms. I have a very shocking way of demonstrating that, that imprints it in their brains. And girls are by nature much less likely to be so intrigued with them as boys. A right brain / left brain thing I guess. Maybe the ONE positive thing about raising girls.</p>
<p>As far as the other issue&#8217;s, I spend about 90% of my time trying to reason with people and challenging their minds to think one level deeper, to get involved, be aware and to stop being freaking lemmings.</p>
<p>Our society has been so dumbed down I find it a difficult task, but I make progress with some people, and some are of no hope. You take your wins and move on.</p>
<p>Voting is a perfect example, people in other parts of the world risk their lives to have their vote. In this nation if 30% show it&#8217;s considered a great turnout. And of that 30%, 95% vote on a 30 second clip of lies pushed at them over the tube by a politician. The very sad reality is, that I don&#8217;t think there is a chance in hell of it ever changing until a crash of real proportions happens. When people of this nation experience real hardship, perhaps then, just maybe, they will wake up and realize what their slumber and ignorance has cost them. I have not missed one election, on any issue, even local, since I was of legal age to cast a vote. What does that place me in? The top 1%, maybe 5% at most. That is a sad statement.</p>
<p>If I have one thing to offer this society, I hope it is the ability to get people to think. I spread it far and wide, and irl, I am talking to folks about this stuff all the time. I make progressives heads explode ( something I truly enjoy) and try to convince people the left / right paradigm is a manufactured hoax. Greg is spot on, even if people don&#8217;t want to admit it or face it. I have seen some of his sources, I have logically evaluated the evidence, and it makes me sick to my stomach. We have one very valuable tool and advantage over those from the past. We have history to learn from, and anyone ignoring it is bound to suffer severely.  I have been asked on several occasions to run for local office. But one of two things would happen, my head would explode or someone would take a hit out on me.</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 15:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry, I can agree with what you say, and you have some valid and acute criticism of a number of the misuses of our penal system and our system of laws and punishments. But what we have is not going to change unless something is done to change it. And bought off politicians and a complacent public voters won&#039;t do the job.

The most you can do is try to extend you sphere of influence, and you still have to leave the choice up to those who vote, and those work in areas where they can chose those who dictate responsibility, and just about there, you are getting into the area of the politicians....Maybe, as much as you dislike the idea, you need to think of what potential that would have for you. Finding the person who represents the values and reflects the virtues, is getting to be difficult...You will be faced with as difficult decisions as those in power already have to make. Which way they turn is dictated by that inner voice we often call conscience..but it is only the way God has of speaking with us....and it is only a whisper, compared with what the world throws our way, especially in the way of temptation, which is the other road, and so often it becomes the main highway.....

But, as a responsible parent, for God&#039;s sake, keep those guns under lock, for as I well remember when I went into my dad&#039;s drawer to handle his old official police .38, and found a note saying he knew I had been there, and had better leave it alone...even though I wandered the woods, by myself, with a .22 and knew how to handle it, I knew I was playing with something I shouldn&#039;t be playing with!
And there are for certain sure, parents who have no sense of responsibility, and couldn&#039;t care less that their kids would find and play with something that could bring down disaster upon them and their family....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry, I can agree with what you say, and you have some valid and acute criticism of a number of the misuses of our penal system and our system of laws and punishments. But what we have is not going to change unless something is done to change it. And bought off politicians and a complacent public voters won&#8217;t do the job.</p>
<p>The most you can do is try to extend you sphere of influence, and you still have to leave the choice up to those who vote, and those work in areas where they can chose those who dictate responsibility, and just about there, you are getting into the area of the politicians&#8230;.Maybe, as much as you dislike the idea, you need to think of what potential that would have for you. Finding the person who represents the values and reflects the virtues, is getting to be difficult&#8230;You will be faced with as difficult decisions as those in power already have to make. Which way they turn is dictated by that inner voice we often call conscience..but it is only the way God has of speaking with us&#8230;.and it is only a whisper, compared with what the world throws our way, especially in the way of temptation, which is the other road, and so often it becomes the main highway&#8230;..</p>
<p>But, as a responsible parent, for God&#8217;s sake, keep those guns under lock, for as I well remember when I went into my dad&#8217;s drawer to handle his old official police .38, and found a note saying he knew I had been there, and had better leave it alone&#8230;even though I wandered the woods, by myself, with a .22 and knew how to handle it, I knew I was playing with something I shouldn&#8217;t be playing with!<br />
And there are for certain sure, parents who have no sense of responsibility, and couldn&#8217;t care less that their kids would find and play with something that could bring down disaster upon them and their family&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Farber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Farber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And stop voting them into positions of authority..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And stop voting them into positions of authority..</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jes- Think about what you said &quot;of allowing “everyone”.

Jes, we are talking rights here, not privileges. It is not my place, nor yours to &#039;limit&#039; anyone&#039;s rights if they are in good standing in the society. That is such a slippery slope, because once government believes they can limit our rights, that will be expanded on...oh wait......

We are a country of laws, when you violate a law, you are sent to prison. When in prison most all of your rights are suspended as you are no longer in good standing within our society. Once that debt is paid, it is suppose to go away, your debt is paid, you are once again in good standing. Your rights restored.

The truth is, by not keeping truly violent and heinous criminals in prison where they belong, the government fosters a system of high crime. They then use that crime as an excuse to pass laws that restrict freedoms, and people don&#039;t rise up against them because they think it will make them safer. Which is ridiculous, criminals by definition do not follow laws, only people with the desire to follow laws obey them, and that includes those who may have broken the law in the past. The government is and has been expanding on what is seen as a felony, do you think that is by happenstance, or by design? Could you explain to me why a country that has been existence as long as this one, still has law makers passing new laws daily? They are outlawing just about everything but breathing, and they are working on that one as we speak. I mean how did we ever exist in the past without these laws?

How many truly violent criminals are going to follow that law anyway? As we can see from experience, none to hardly any. The non violent felons on the other hand, you know the ones who made a mistake, hurt no one, paid their debt and learned their lesson, are denied what I see as perhaps our most important freedom. This is just another perfect example of trying to solve a problem on the back end as opposed to the front end, by design. It&#039;s an illusion that belongs on the stage of a magician.

Now, to bring up another subject, kids. Children are the wards of their parents, and for good reason. Those choices of which freedoms a child has are the choice of the parents. As long as a kid isn&#039;t being physically or mentally abused. My youngest daughter is completely competent with a firearm, she is a better marksman than I am. She understands the respect they deserve. She is 18 and is still denied her ability to protect herself from the heinous d bag the government has turned back into society. I would have felt very comfortable with her having a handgun when she was about 16, not that I have a problem with her having to wait until she is an adult, as she was my responsibility up until that point. If your 18 y/o isn&#039;t prepared to handle their freedoms and rights upon being turned into society, you have failed as a parent.

If you want to convince me otherwise, show me one gun law, including the one that denies past felons their right to the 2A, which has reduced crime or made us safer. I&#039;ll save you a lot of time though, because I have searched extensively, it doesn&#039;t exist. The only times in the history of this country that we have seen crime go down, were periods where gun laws were being slackened, not tightened.

The bottom line solution is this: Lock the truly heinous and dangerous people up where they belong, and keep them there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jes- Think about what you said &#8220;of allowing “everyone”.</p>
<p>Jes, we are talking rights here, not privileges. It is not my place, nor yours to &#8216;limit&#8217; anyone&#8217;s rights if they are in good standing in the society. That is such a slippery slope, because once government believes they can limit our rights, that will be expanded on&#8230;oh wait&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>We are a country of laws, when you violate a law, you are sent to prison. When in prison most all of your rights are suspended as you are no longer in good standing within our society. Once that debt is paid, it is suppose to go away, your debt is paid, you are once again in good standing. Your rights restored.</p>
<p>The truth is, by not keeping truly violent and heinous criminals in prison where they belong, the government fosters a system of high crime. They then use that crime as an excuse to pass laws that restrict freedoms, and people don&#8217;t rise up against them because they think it will make them safer. Which is ridiculous, criminals by definition do not follow laws, only people with the desire to follow laws obey them, and that includes those who may have broken the law in the past. The government is and has been expanding on what is seen as a felony, do you think that is by happenstance, or by design? Could you explain to me why a country that has been existence as long as this one, still has law makers passing new laws daily? They are outlawing just about everything but breathing, and they are working on that one as we speak. I mean how did we ever exist in the past without these laws?</p>
<p>How many truly violent criminals are going to follow that law anyway? As we can see from experience, none to hardly any. The non violent felons on the other hand, you know the ones who made a mistake, hurt no one, paid their debt and learned their lesson, are denied what I see as perhaps our most important freedom. This is just another perfect example of trying to solve a problem on the back end as opposed to the front end, by design. It&#8217;s an illusion that belongs on the stage of a magician.</p>
<p>Now, to bring up another subject, kids. Children are the wards of their parents, and for good reason. Those choices of which freedoms a child has are the choice of the parents. As long as a kid isn&#8217;t being physically or mentally abused. My youngest daughter is completely competent with a firearm, she is a better marksman than I am. She understands the respect they deserve. She is 18 and is still denied her ability to protect herself from the heinous d bag the government has turned back into society. I would have felt very comfortable with her having a handgun when she was about 16, not that I have a problem with her having to wait until she is an adult, as she was my responsibility up until that point. If your 18 y/o isn&#8217;t prepared to handle their freedoms and rights upon being turned into society, you have failed as a parent.</p>
<p>If you want to convince me otherwise, show me one gun law, including the one that denies past felons their right to the 2A, which has reduced crime or made us safer. I&#8217;ll save you a lot of time though, because I have searched extensively, it doesn&#8217;t exist. The only times in the history of this country that we have seen crime go down, were periods where gun laws were being slackened, not tightened.</p>
<p>The bottom line solution is this: Lock the truly heinous and dangerous people up where they belong, and keep them there.</p>
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		<title>By: jes</title>
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		<dc:creator>jes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 12:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, what can I say....other than complacency? The majority of the population doesn&#039;t even vote!
I can agree with restoring civil rights after time served, as long as felons aren&#039;t let out to remedy overcrowded conditions, but the fact is, they can get those rights back, now, although it will take a lawyer and some funds to do it.

When the time comes for us to take stock of how our nation fell apart at the seams, and after we begin to resurrect it from anarchy, we will need your historical perspective to try it all over again...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, what can I say&#8230;.other than complacency? The majority of the population doesn&#8217;t even vote!<br />
I can agree with restoring civil rights after time served, as long as felons aren&#8217;t let out to remedy overcrowded conditions, but the fact is, they can get those rights back, now, although it will take a lawyer and some funds to do it.</p>
<p>When the time comes for us to take stock of how our nation fell apart at the seams, and after we begin to resurrect it from anarchy, we will need your historical perspective to try it all over again&#8230;</p>
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