Idaho County, Idaho Declares Wolf Disaster, Fear For Their Lives

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As I predicted several months ago, the wolf wars have now turned a corner and have become serious. Many of the uninformed believed that a few angry hunters and landowners might take it upon themselves to poach wolves in an attempt to save their properties and lessen the impact of wolves. Little did most suspect, including the greedy, maligned environmentalists, who even to this day are clamoring to have wolves in every state in this country.

The introduction of gray wolves into the Yellowstone ecosystem, in what was described as and is still labeled as a Nonessential Experimental Population, is an unmitigated disaster. It has reached a level now where one county in Idaho has declared their county a disaster because of uncontrolled wolves. Idaho County, Idaho citizens now fear for their lives, as is stated in the Disaster Declaration.

WHEREAS, the presence and boldness of wolves have caused citizens grave concern for their safety and the safety of their families….

The Idaho County Board of Commissioners take nearly 2 and a half pages to lay out the disaster as it has unfolded in their county. This includes not only the physical losses of properties, the stresses and strains of everyday life, fear, destruction of ungulates and a radical and abrupt change of lifestyle, but the politics and seeming agenda-driven decisions of the Courts.

The Declaration of Disaster defends its decision on State and County laws to do so and declares that Canadian Gray Wolves are, “causing vast devastation of the social culture, economy and natural resources of Idaho County.” And that as a result of the gray wolf, “Public safety is compromised, economic activity is disrupted and private and public property continues to be imperiled.”

Therefore the Idaho County Board of Commissioners, believing to be acting through legal State and County approved codes, is requesting that Idaho Governor Butch Otter immediately issue an “Executive Order or Disaster Proclamation” that would label the Canadian gray wolf a “managed predator”, as allowed under the 2002 Legislatively approved wolf management plan. This plan calls for wolves to be controlled at a level of about 150 wolves statewide. The Board of Commissioners is asking the Governor to use whatever means necessary to accomplish this.

The County is also requesting that Governor Otter continue this Disaster Proclamation until the wolves have been reduced to 2002 Wolf Management Plan levels and that policies be adopted to create “no-wolf tolerance zones” – near homes, ranches, schools and public recreation areas.

Idaho has now officially moved beyond the tit for tat debate about whether wolves are or are not good for Idaho or anybody else. I repeat! This experiment is an oppressive, relentless and unmitigated disaster at all levels. The envelope is far beyond being pushed as the result of lack of leadership and the state of Idaho being controlled by environmentalists instead of the people, with no support from U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

I would declare this to be a line drawn in the sand. One that apparently Governor Otter was unwilling to draw in dealing with the Feds about wolves.

On a related note: It was brought to my attention that during last nights television broadcast on Idaho Public TV program “Dialogue”, IDFG Director Cal Groen and State Wildlife Manager Jon Rachael were asked about the Idaho County Disaster Declaration and both stated they were unaware of it.

Tom Remington

http://westinstenv.org Mike D.

The Idaho County Commissioners are reflecting the opinions of their constituents who have been saddled with the burden of exotic, disease-carrying, wildlife-killing, public-safety-threatening predators for 15 years. Like the residents of Catron County, New Mexico, the people who have experienced wolves dumped in their midst are fed up.

While the MSM may rise to this bait temporarily, the real story has been related at Black Bear Blog over many years. This website has told the truth, the whole truth, and in detail.

Some readers may not appreciate the effort, expertise, and understanding that goes into creating and publishing Black Bear Blog, but I do. Many kudos and thanks for your tireless efforts, Tom and Steve, to bring sanity back to wildlife management, and freedom and liberty back to America.
Dan

I believe that concerns over elk populations and hunter opportunity are valid, as well as finding a solution to livestock depredations.

With this emergency declaration however, I can’t help but to be amused at the concerns over “public safety”. I can count on one hand the number of people I’ve read about being killed by wolves in the last 50 years on the North American continent.

Where is the emergency declaration over the fact that 20% of the drivers are well over the .08 limit every Friday and Saturday on the highway I drive on several times per week? Pretty sure 1,000′s of people get killed in collisions every year and most of us chalk it up to the dangers of driving.

This kind of stuff bothers me because it cheapens the real arguments going on over wolf management, and just gives fuel to the opposition.
http://www.blackbearblog.com Tom Remington

“This kind of stuff” as you chose to put it, only cheapens the argument for the uninformed and that is precisely what many of us are trying to do – inform the public of the truth.

First off you can’t compare drunk driving to wolves. This is about as lame as those who liken the dangers from pet dogs to wolves, claiming more people are injured from domestic dogs than wolves. Of course there are. There are many millions of dogs living with many millions of humans.

There are a few thousand wolves in all of North America. Dan. One of the reasons you have not heard about the dangers is because the only thing we have to rightfully compare it to is history, when wolves were here before and people moved in. The written accounts back then were numerous (no you go read your history books AND you can find countless accounts of it here on this blog). Now imagine uncontrolled numbers of wolves living in among many millions of people. What do you think will happen?

Don’t compare Alaska and Canada to this either as where the overwhelming majority of wolves are in those places, nobody lives.

Now, if you would like a factual account of what can happen when wolves run rampant among the masses of people, purchase and read Will Graves book, “Wolves in Russia: Anxiety Through the Ages”.

It doesn’t cheapen the argument Dan. Once the facts are made known, you soon realize that the concern for public safety for the folks in Idaho County are legitimate.

The same holds true for disease. Yes, wolves and other canines have carried these diseases that can be deadly to humans. Wolves are kind of creature that covers a lot of territory in a short amount of time, carrying with them disease. As wolf numbers increase among hundreds of thousands of people, the chances of humans contracting hydatid disease for example grow exponentially.
TLM

Thanks Tom for hosting the disaster declaration.
jes

Good reply, Tom, and the fact that most people don’t have to live with them does not diminish the dread and disasters of those who do. Perhaps Dan does not realize the “progressive stages” of imminent wolf attacks, as predicated by those who have studied them, and does not have them to contend with on a daily basis, therefore, he does not appreciate the threat…
Kurt Lane

I’ve been dreading the day that I read of the first attack, it will more than likely be a child. When humans are not a threat to a predator, they are prey, this has been demonstrated by the increased attacks on humans by “protected” lions.
Of course they will be downplayed and dismissed as “rare” just as coyote attacks have been, even though a quick online search say’s different.
I don’t know how these people can sleep at night.
http://www.prosts.com Bruce Hemming

Attacks have happen in the lower 48 one woman was attacked in WI walking her dog made the Evening news once and was pulled. A father shot a wolf stalking his son in MI and a back door courtroom deal was made that he could not talk to the press. Missing hikers where only parts and bones have been found where deemed died first then the wolves ate them. The corruption in USFWS and the State DNR or Fish and Game to cover up the wolves evil doing is well documented fact.

Tom has done so much thank you for your tireless effort to inform the public of the truth.
http://bluehorseoutfitters.com jim Richards

Ufortunatley it will probably take a death of a child or two to wake up the non believers or maybe more. I find it ubelievable that they would risk the chance of that happening before they act. Here in southern Wyoming on a less dramatic scale we have the problem of a exploding bear population. The quota on bear here in the fall in this unit is three females per hunting season then it closes for the year which usually only takes 3 to 9 days to fill on average. The game department has to destroy several bears every fall because of livestock predation and still they won’t increase the quota of bears and let the hunters take care of the problem. Why not sell the tags to hunters and save that money they use to reniburse the rancher for the livestock lost. At 360. per non resident for a tag they could make money and let some of the locals do the same by bringing in a little revenue for themselves which would surley help in todays economy.
jes

Jim, I’m not so sure that even if a child was taken, that the truth would get out…Even if they had eyewitnesses, and tracks leading away, and caught the wolves, and had DNA evidence, the chances of that getting to the public are marginal. And the chances of it making national news over the main networks is probably zilch! Talk about conspiracies! There are plenty of them trying to cover up their answer for taking away private ownership of land, and eliminating hunters….
http://bluehorseoutfitters.com jim Richards

Jes, I agree with you but still find it hard to beleve there are people out there who would put the life of a diesease infested imported wild dogs life over that of a child or adult regaurdless of the odds of that happening why would anyone even consider protecting such a animal. There is no hell hot enough for people like that.
Lee

Bruce Hemming

I visited your site and found reference to the deaths of 3 people in Arkansas.

http://thelibrary.springfield.missouri.org/lochist/periodicals/wrv/V4/N2/w70e.htm your source.

http://oteroresidentsforum.blogspot.com/2008/02/bruce-hemming-takes-on-wolf-cult-on.html Bruce Hemming’s story regarding the incident

It seems like much supposition on the part of the people who found the “bleached bones” to conclude that they were killed by wolves. Also, would the grass still be trampled after enough time had passed for the bones to bleach? Perhaps there was another type of predator in Missouri-Arkansas that killed these three blacks at the end of the Civil War.
http://www.prosts.com Bruce Hemming

Ah Lee so you found one out of over 100 humans killed to pick at like a child picking at a scab. I notice you didn’t say anything about the 3 children killed with tons of eye witness.
Janesville Gazette, The 11-19-1891 3 documented wolf killed children Minnesota 3 children killed and ate by wolves. These are the large vicious gray wolves from Northern Minnesota. The pack was saw fighting over the remains of the 3 children. No one knows the finally terror these poor children felt as the savage beast ripped the life out of them. Men taking a shortcut found the wolves and left to get help. Upon returning with a number of armed men the beast would not leave until 2 were shot. Once drove off the grizzly scene of the 3 partial eaten children were found. A huge hunting party was formed .

Well Lee their just children ripped to shreds from wolves not that you anti American wolf lovers care about children being killed. In other words you just want to attack one little tiny part and ignore all the other facts right? Of course you are from Ralph board no doubt. You don’t care ranchers have been forced out of business you don’t care that small business owners that hunters support have gone out of business. No find one little tiny post from another site and complain about it.

So Lee how many children is it ok with you to be ripped to shreds from wolves? Don’t be shy tell the truth you are one of the sick psychopaths that get’s a thrill out of children being killed by wolves right?
http://www.prosts.com Bruce Hemming

Since you want to give reference of what I have wrote Lee here is bunch more for to pick over like a child.

Hidden From Public View – the Truth About Wolves
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/hemming1.html

Understanding wolf politics
http://savewesternwildlife.org/wordpress/understanding-wolf-politics/

http://savewesternwildlife.org/sww-forums.html
A list of animal attacks Plenty of Modern wolf attacks listed that the anti American wolf cult tries to hide from the public

WAKE UP AMERICA! They are killing your food supply!
http://buckshotsurvival.blogspot.com/2010/08/they-are-killing-your-food-supply.html

Undue Burden
The Real Cost Of Living With Wolves

http://www.prosts.com/

Undue Burden- Raw, real, gritty, a must see. It is very powerful documentary, and must viewing for everyone who cares about this country, about wildlife, and about our fellow human beings.
http://www.prosts.com Bruce Hemming

Since you want to give reference of what I have wrote Lee here is bunch more for you to pick over like a child.

Hidden From Public View – the Truth About Wolves
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/hemming1.html

Understanding wolf politics
http://savewesternwildlife.org/wordpress/understanding-wolf-politics/

http://savewesternwildlife.org/sww-forums.html
A list of animal attacks Plenty of Modern wolf attacks listed that the anti American wolf cult tries to hide from the public

WAKE UP AMERICA!They are killing your food supply!
http://buckshotsurvival.blogspot.com/2010/08/they-are-killing-your-food-supply.html

Undue Burden
The Real Cost Of Living With Wolves

http://www.prosts.com/

Undue Burden- Raw, real, gritty, a must see. It is very powerful documentary, and must viewing for everyone who cares about this country, about wildlife, and about our fellow human beings.
Bruce Hemming

Hidden From Public View – the Truth About Wolves
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/hemming1.html

Understanding wolf politics
http://savewesternwildlife.org/wordpress/understanding-wolf-politics/

http://savewesternwildlife.org/sww-forums.html
A list of animal attacks Plenty of Modern wolf attacks listed that the anti American wolf cult tries to hide from the public

WAKE UP AMERICA! They are killing your food supply!
http://buckshotsurvival.blogspot.com/2010/08/they-are-killing-your-food-supply.html

Undue Burden
The Real Cost Of Living With Wolves

http://www.prosts.com/

Undue Burden- Raw, real, gritty, a must see. It is very powerful documentary, and must viewing for everyone who cares about this country, about wildlife, and about our fellow human beings.
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

BTW Lee did you check out the Lew Rockwell article I wrote with the picture of the young girl recovering from the wolf attack in 2005. You remember it was the one with the healthy male wolf that attack 6 people minding their own business sitting peacefully on the beach before the killer wolf show up. What was the name of the 3 year old little girl that the bloodthirsty killer wolf grabbed by the arm and tried to drag in the woods to ripped to shreds and eat? The attack that the pro wolf newspaper that offer $100 cash to anyone with documented wolf attack had to pay out too. What was that little 3 year girls name. Sorry been so many wolf attacks I forget her name. Does your wolf cult get all excited when wolves attack little children?
TLM

Kudos to Idaho County, our neighbors to the north.

Folks who don’t live in “wolf country” have no idea what its like.

People we know rented a large winter pasture in Idaho county the winter of 2003-2004. In December the wolves attacked the horses. People living across the river saw it. The guard donkey managed to drive them off of one mare they had down and hamstrung, but he couldn’t save the other mare. She was drug down to the river and eaten alive. Amazingly this was not a “documented” attack according to the “experts”. (You can still feel the scars of the teeth marks on her leg and neck.)

In the spring several years ago, folks were visiting up here, happened to have that same guard donkey. The wolves in our valley attacked, killed one young mule and chewed up another. This time the guard donkey didn’t survive – well he was still alive but the wolves had eaten enough of him that the owners had to put him out of his misery.

Wolves have surrounded camps back here and howled and growled outside the tent or camp trailer all night. Wolves have followed people hiking. Wolves have approached several people on different occasions over the last few years. Wolves have killed pets. People have been finding wolf poop (much larger than coyote poop) in their yards. Last October we were “prey tested” in our driveway. This spring wolves howled from the school yard at night.

The dogs that used to guard our critters from bears, bobcats, raccoons, foxes, coyotes, etc., now live in the house and are getting fat. They can’t do their job because of wolves. A solitary bear, fox, coyote or cougar will run from a couple of barking stock dogs, wolves would make a snack out of them like they have our neighbor’s dog.
Kurt Lane

Allow me to clarify, I dread the day when I read of the first fatal wolf attack as the result of this insane ,illeagal introduction.
again, I don’t know how these people can sleep at night
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

I was going to say you could ask Lee he is part of the wolf cult how he sleeps at night but it appears he no longer wants to talk about wolves on an open forum. I am sure he hiding back over on Ralphy the anti AMERICAN board where Nazi censorship is in full force to protect his fragile ego. None of the Wolf cult will man up and allow hunting and trapping of the wolf even when it is doceumented fact they are wiping out the game herd.
Barry

First off….Kudos to the commissioners of Idaho county, it is far past time to directly attack this travesty and force action. It is also time for the ID legislature to get involved and start cleaning the IDFG house of those people directly responsible and those who have ignored Idaho law for far to long, we all know the details, so I won’t burden us with typing them out.

Lee and Dan, your choice to try and explain away the lack of attacks by limiting the scope of those figures is all to easy to expose. I would have found it amazing to find many attacks from any animal who’s population in the described area has been almost non existent for 80 years, no? Or is that to in depth of an evaluation to make about your claims?

The true picture of wolf attacks is easily found in the Russian research so many pro wolfers want to both ignore and then marginalize, but it is very telling and very predictable. First the wildlife is diminished (check), then the livestock predation increases (check), then the attacks on humans becomes a clear and present danger, usually on children and women (I dread the day I hear of this happening), but I also know it will. The cycle of unchecked wolves in Russia is just to consistent. But, well, of course those attacks didn’t happen in North America, they happened someplace that actually had wolves and at rather shocking numbers considering the low population of humans in those areas. They are a damn dangerous animal when hungry. The lives of those lost, fall squarely on those who brought this mess about and on those who supported it.

The sad fact remains, we never needed them here, they were never endangered and no logical explanation can be made that supports this mess as a valid or good idea.

So, perhaps when that first child loses their life, you two will be willing to write those parents and explain how the wolves were more important than their childs life. Or at that point are you going to just ignore that also?

You can bet your last dollar, when it does happen, I will be contacting them, providing information, and naming names of those responsible, both state, federal and private. That should make for an interesting law suit don’t you think? Especially in a state sick and tired of this mess and of those who brought it upon us.

Barry
Lee

Bruce Hemming

There are other activities more important to me than trying to track down more misinformation on wolf-human interactions; you did give four posts with several sources each to check out – this can not be done instantly llike you flip out responses based primarily on emotion.

Since the first one of your sources that I checked out was hardly conclusive regarding the killing of three blacks (a fact you omitted, along with a few others) in northern Arkansas in 1864, why should I spend more time checking out the others. I did try with the 3 kids supposedly killed near the Twin Cities, Minnesota in 1891 and found no references to the incident on the internet other than those from you. The source you quoted was the Janesville Gazette 11-19-1891. Janesville is in southern Minnesota prairie country. The only listing I found for a Jansville Gazette during the 1800s was in Wisconsin (1845-1865).

And what is with your comment “These are the large vicious gray wolves from Northern Minnesota.” in reference to the 3 kids killed in that state? How large are they? Define vicious with regards to a predator. Aren’t they frequently called “timber wolves”?

I am not part of a wolf cult, am not hiding at another site, and am not opposed to hunting wolves, or other critters, if that is a way to keep them in the ecosystems in which they evolved.

I retired form teaching math and science after 30 years – that should support your statement that I hate kids and like to see them suffer.
jes

Bruce, Lee is an elderly, retired schoolmarm, taking care of her ailing husband, but between her times of having an infatuation with the wolf clan, like to test the waters over here where there is some semblance of sanity….Maybe she learns something, maybe she is just spying for the enemy, but in either case she has something to offer, even if it is only aggravation…
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

Lee you are anti American of course you can’t find the reference on the Internet you have to go to the source. The internet is not the only place you can find facts you have hear of libraries right. Yes let’s talk about Misinformation shall we.

Let;s see you wolf loving cult members are experts at putting out lies misinformation myths and fairy tales about wolves.

Here is a list of exposed lies you wolf lovers have used on the public and with your Eco Nazi attitude I am sure you are part of that Wolf loving cult.

Wolves have never attacked anyone in North America. A complete fraud that is easy to expose in the book “The Wolves of North America”. Would you like the details of the attacks listed in the book Lee. You do know how to read a book right?

Also in this book you will learn as documented FACT that wolves do indeed wipe out livestock and elk? You can understand scientific studies right?

My favorite wolf lover lie. Wolves mate for life what gullible immature child came up with that lie? It is funny cause in the Alaskan wolf study proved that the Alpha male mates all females in heat in the whole pack. That would include his own daughter. But don’t let that documented fact interfere with your misinformation campaign of myths and lies.

I see you did not check out the forums with all the documented wolf attacks. Here a list of modern wolf attacks for you to research.
Wolf Attack Canada
Wolf attack has sides lining up again over wolf control
WOLVES KILL CARETAKER IN A CANADIAN FOREST AND WILDLIFE RESERVE
Child killed in wolf attack in Russia’s Far East
Georgian villagers armed for self-defenses against wolves
Afghan Wolf Attacks
Homeless man eaten by wolves in Iran
India Fighting Plague Of Man-Eating Wolves
Wolf Attacks in Georgia Lead Villagers to Seek License to Kill
Wolf pack kills moose calf
Wolf Attacks Spur MN Rancher To Sell
Wolf Encounters Lead To Fear In Ely
Rabid Wolf Attacks Hunter
Boy is injured by wolf dog used for teaching
Beast at Large: Wolf attacks bring fear to villagers
Attacking wolf pack encourages heightened pet owner awareness
Wolf hybrid kills grandson, 5
WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW CAN KILL YOU!!! Wolves!!!!!!!!!!!!
Port Moody kayaker fights off starving, predatory wolf
B.C. senior sustains bruises in wolf attack
Six injured in rare wolf attack
Dog saves family from wolf attack
Ontario man killed in wolf attack, coroner’s jury finds
More Wolf Attacks in Idaho And Minnesota
4 wolves viciously attacked and killed school teacher 2010
Can we stop lying about how wolves don’t attack people?

So Lee is that enough documented facts to keep you busy for long time. Or do you prefer to cry about one link I put up? It appear your cult is losing record number of public support. So keep attacking me I well keep educating people with the truth.
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

Jes you would think she would have more important things do with her life then spreading Eco Nazi wolf lies and misinformation.
jes

Not really, Bruce…she, like a great many others, has an emotional dedication that defies the truth. To give her some credit, she does question the questionable, and finds any weakness with the evidence that is possible, and that I would give her credit for, but for the fact that almost any evidence is questionable, if you find the right weak spot.

She does keep us on out toes, even if it galls us, and she is civil, also to her credit, so, you might say, she does some good, considering she brings out the best of our evidence, and the best reasoning…. As in any interesting reading, there has to be a protagonist….otherwise, it’s all preaching to the choir!
Lee

I can and have read Mark E. McNay’s bulletin 13 “A Case History of Wolf-Human Encounters in Alaska and Canada.” which was printed prior to a single death in Canada and, more recently, Alaska. He was one of the those called in to determine if Kenton Carnegie was in fact killed by a wolf in Saskatchewan. He and Dr. Valerius Geist (and others?) gave evidence that convinced a coroner’s jury that his death was due to a wolf attack. I tend to believe his accounts more than those from newspapers a century or more past.

http://www.aws.vcn.com/wolf_attacks_on_humans.html and more on your side. Yes I read it and several other of their titles.
jes

Damn, I give her a token of attention, and she comes back like a bitch pitbull…..lol
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

I find it laughable that Defenders of Wildlife used old Newspaper accounts of when the wolves were wiped out for the public health and Safety years ago are believed with a religious zeal but those same Newspaper that reported on wolves slaughtering children can’t be believed. Normal backwards thinking. Even with eyewitness.

Let’s see so far we have proven beyond a shallow of the doubt the so called corrupt liars at USFWS lied to the public about the wolves never attacking humans being.

We have proved beyond a shallow of doubt that wolves have forced ranchers out of work.

We have proved beyond a shallow of doubt that licenses sales to hunters have dropped due to the fact the wolves are wiping out the game herds..

We have proven beyond a doubt that wolves do not restore balance but instead wipe out game herds
The Moose population in Yellowstone National Park trend count shows a
decrease to almost zero.
(Source: 2009 Wolf-Ungulate Study Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks)
Moose haters should get more wolves in American maybe you can help wipe out
all the moose in the lower 48 good job.
That is the problem with the truth soon or later you all have to grow up
and face the facts.

The Gallatin Canyon elk herd trend count between Bozeman and Big Sky has
dropped from around 1,048 to 338 in 2008. (Source: Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks)
• The Madison Firehole elk herd trend count has dropped from 700 to 108 in
2008.(Source: Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks)
• The calf survival rate for those same elk herds mentioned above, where
wolves (and bears) are present, is extremely low amounting to as little as
10% or less recruitment or survival rate. Nearly any wildlife professional
will tell you this is an unacceptable recruitment or survival rate.
Acceptable wildlife science tells us that a 25-40% survival rate is
necessary for herd sustainability. Studies show that each wolf kills up to
23 elk from November through April; that equates to up to 40,000 elk killed
in six months. This number does not include those elk killed for food by
wolves from May through October. While the number of elk killed per wolf
from May through October is less than the number from November through
April, it is still considerable; and that is just the elk
killed for food. These numbers do not account for those elk simply killed by
wolves (surplus killing) and yes, that does happen. Nowhere near the
majority of these elk kills are simply the sick and the old.

This proves that wolves are not needed and only bring problems force ranchers and small business owner out of work, destroy the game herds and attack and kill people. Only anti American support the wolves.
Lee

jes

Your attention was appreciate.

I already had the first paragraph written yesterday and forgot to include it in my last post of the 19th. I came across the other info and link this morning while trying to find more about the “WOLVES KILL CARETAKER IN A CANADIAN FOREST AND WILDLIFE RESERVE”. It was a captive bunch of four wolves. The biologist had expressed concern to her fiance regarding one male wolf’s behavior.

Bruce Hemming

According to DNR in Minnesota the “large vicious gray wolves from Northern Minnesota” weigh between 60 and 120 pounds.

“the wolves were wiped out for the public health and Safety years ago” They were finally wiped out by Wildlife Services (then called Animal Damage Control) for the benefit of western livestock ranchers not for public health and safety.

“So keep attacking me”. If anyone is attacking it is you not me.

Some unnecessary rude and/or crude and/or comments:

like a child picking at a scab

not that you anti American wolf lovers care about children being killed.

you don’t care ranchers have been forced out of business you don’t care that small business owners that hunters support have gone out of business. (unsubstantiated statement, but it has emotional appeal)

one of the sick psychopaths that get’s a thrill out of children being killed by wolves

wolf cult get all excited when wolves attack little children

you are anti American

with your Eco Nazi attitude I am sure you are part of that Wolf loving cult

You do know how to read a book right?

You can understand scientific studies right?

spreading Eco Nazi wolf lies and misinformation

Only anti American support the wolves. (obviously opinion)
Lee

jes
I changed the structure of the first sentence and forgot to add a “d” to the last world.
Bruce Hemming
Same situation in the sentence with two “and/ors” in it,
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

The Nazi supported the wolves Lee that is called a documented Fact of history. I am sure lee being uncaring cold Eco Nazi you could care a less about the children ripped to shreds from the large vicious wolves of Minnesota. Being an Eco Nazi is a fact. If you choose to support Hitler love the wolves over humans I will point out that historical fact.

Lee since you are not trying to add to the debate but spread lies and propaganda ignoring the documented facts of history that leaves you in one category only anti American Eco Nazi sorry if history does not support your view of wolves.

You can continue your childish posting and I will be right here to point out the Facts. 1. that you are cold and uncaring human hater you think it ok for children to be ripped apart by wolves. What was the name of the little 3 year old girl in Canada in 2005 the blood thirsty killer wolf try to drag in the woods to ripped to shreds and eat? Oh that right Lee you thought it is great the wolves are trying to eat children. Hitler would so proud of you.

Yes those were pen raised wolves that killed the lady “WOLVES KILL CARETAKER IN A CANADIAN FOREST AND WILDLIFE RESERVE” feed and pampered wolves. I guess the wild ones get to watch Disney and learn not to attack humans.

Come on Eco Nazi Lee keep posting your anti Children statement I am sure when a little 60 pound wolf is ripping the life out of a child you can find your Hitler youth handbook on how to reply to the parents about it was just a small wolf that was hungry and you should be proud your child was ripped to shreds to saved the wolf from starving.
Lee

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2010/09/18/1344781/bill-would-exempt-idaho-wolves.html
http://blackbear MikeL

My son and I have been huntin our butts off for elk up here in North Idaho. I’d say about 1 in 4 of our hunts have ended short because of the wolves we have up here now. Even when we’ve had a couple bulls going they shut down because of the howling. A lot of places we used to hunt are void of any elk, just a bunch of wolf sign in those areas now. Wallows that used to be tore to hell the last 20 years are now just water holes with very little sign. Really getting tired of putting on miles and miles to see a bunch of dog crap on the trail.
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

http://dprogram.net/2010/09/20/most-influential-environmentalists-share-mass-murder-advocating-green-nazi%e2%80%99s-philosophy/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wordpress%2FBcwy+%28Deprogram%29

Most Influential Environmentalists Share Mass-Murder Advocating Green Nazi’s Philosophy

Posted: 20 Sep 2010 08:13 PM PDT

In addition to writing that violence is the only way for minority groups of activists to achieve their goals, in 1979, the so called “deep” ecologist dedicated an anthology of his writings to Andreas Baader and Ulride Meinhof of Germany’s violent ultra left wing terrorist gang the Baader-Meinhof Group.

Today Linkola envisions small but potent factions of hardened eco-terrorists taking steps to reduce the population, “By sacrificing perhaps billions [we] might possibly save a million,” he has written.

He has even suggested that big cities should be attacked by “some trans-national body like the UN”, with nuclear weapons or with “bacteriological and chemical attacks”.

Given that it is clear that they share Linkola’s depraved neo-eugenicist outlook, Bill Gates’ vaccination program and John Holdren’s well documented obsession with geo-engineering, a practice that is actively being carried out by government endorsed mad scientists injecting aerosols of sulfate into the stratosphere, are actions that should be immediately halted and investigated.
Harley

Holy smokes, I get busy with real life you you all go post crazy on me and I have to wade through them all! I haven’t disappeared, just got caught up once again with real life but I keep a fringe attention on all that goes on here. I don’t have much to offer, most of my comments were posted when that teacher was killed by wolves in Alaska. I’m still chasing down all the links you guys threw up here!
Lee

Tom

Off subject, but a a while back you sent a video of dolphins playing with bubbles and my daughter in Idaho recently sent a picture of an ice circle on the Salmon River, Idaho. It became a joint effort to locate the spot on the river where this occurred by using the image and Google Earth. One of my Idaho cousins who worked in the area in the ’70s located it and gave the coordinates, 45 degrees 25′ 10.14″ N and 116 degrees 15′ 56.00 W as the center of the circle. (Why is there not a degree symbol on computer keypads?) The ice circle is not on the Google summar image. My daughter said “Isn’t it nice to have family.” All that got me into ice circles, sky circles, and dolphin circles. I still don’t understand how the bubbles can be manipulated under water so checked it out on Snopes. They claim it is true. But I still don’t understand the mechanism.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/dolphinrings.asp
TLM

But Michael Leahy, Defenders of Wildlife Rocky Mountain Region director, called the declaration an overreaction.

“Most people in the Rocky Mountains live with wolves just fine,” Leahy said Monday. “I don’t know why it would be any different in Idaho County.”
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The above is from a story (that I will post in the ‘times tonight) about Idaho county declaring a wolf disaster. I wanted to point out the “spin” DoW puts out – “most people in the Rocky Mountains” – live in the few large cities and are NOT affected by wolves. True. But – most people in the rural areas DO NOT “live with wolves just fine”.
Steven Winega

The issues of the Wolcvs should be left to the people who have to deal with them on a daily basis. My son’s who visit me at times and normally live with their mother in the city. Have little experience with the wolves. They are 13 and 16. They have both been through hunters safety, have had the advantage of my influence in thier lives to teach them about things like self defense and self relance. protecting themselces from threats of all kinds. Whether human or animal.

But over the last couple of years, with the Elk herds movin in closer to population, and the numbers decreasing, the wolves have moved in very close to poulation. So much so that one night, not to late in the evening, my boys had the opportunity to see them up close and personal. Had they been any furher from home than a hundred yards they would have have a rifle or shotgun with them.

Just last night my wife and i heard them with in 400 to 500 hundred years moving in on some sort of prey.

They are so close at times you can hear them running in the trees just over the other side of the highway from my home. Which is within 100 yards. There is a time to call things what they really are. And now is the time. This argument that the wolves need to be protected is just plain and simple outside of common sense thinking. Since when has it ever been right to protect a preditory animal over human life? Now to another point. The Canadian Grey Wolves have all but completely wiped out the native wolves here. There used to be plenty of native wolves here in Idaho county and surrounding areas. Now I would be willing to throw up my enitre savings to anyone who can find and count more than a handful anywhere near Idaho county. Now to another point. Why would it even be concidered appropriate to introduce a none native type of wolf into an area that alreasy has a native wolf population of it’s own. If the idea is to protect the wolves, then it makes far more sense to protect the wolves that already inhabit the area than to bring on another type into a already inhabited area.

Protect the population of wolves that already live in that area instead of bringing in another type which kills off the existing population with a larger, more aggressive wolf.

The Canadian Grey Wolves here in Idaho County are a serious threat. Take it from me. I have to live with them in my back yard all the time. And I mean within just a few hundred yards. I see them all the time, I hear them all the time, I see the results of the killing of livestock all the time. i listen to people who have their cattle, pets killed all the time. There isn’t a single person who can tell me that they are not dangerous, aand will kill anyone if the opportunity arises. Anyone thaat goes into the areas even just outsideof city limits is putting themselves in harms way. Anyone that leaves home without proper fire power is a fool.I dae anyone of these enviromentalists to come here and go out for a couple of days just outside of town and tell me it is safe with the wolves here.

I would say with all certainty, if hinest with everyone, they don’t have the nerve to go tent camping here. I dare them. Come spend a week in the hills about a mile from my place. They will meet the wolves and maybe become dinner.
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

Hey Steven that is the problem the anti American wolf lovers don’t go camping heck they barely go in the woods. All they care about is this Disneyland fantasy about wolves. They don’t deal in reality.
Lee

Steven Winega,

My daughter also lives in Idaho County, has horses, and little dogs, goes camping nearly every year in the Selway Bitterroot Wilderness. She has never had any encounters with wolves; nor has my brother who also lives in that county. He has forest property in several locations and spends a lot of time doing timber stand improvement as well as hunting.

Are you possibly Steven Winegar who lives in Harpster? I found that person mentioned in several newspaper articles.
Greg Farber

” She has never had any encounters with wolves; nor has my brother who also lives in that county. ”

Encounters they are aware of you mean. Just because they did not see the wolf or wolves does not mean the wolf or wolves did not observe them.

In 2008 I observed five wolves once near camp, one wolf walked into the camp and right back out, my wife also observed this, my lab had his head up, one of four horses was watching it, three horses did not see it, and three people with us did not see it.. This happened very quickly, I was sitting sipping coffee, I thought to stand erect and put my hand on my belted 45 pistol butt, the wolf was in and out before I could make that thought and action. I knew she was thinking about horse flesh that morning, the female came in, while the large male stayed out and watched. This group was with us for four days watching, listening, smelling, learning. Your ilk severely under estimates them..

I hear, smell, sense wild life before I see it, I know they are near by their spiritual presence, I felt the eyes watching me, the noses testing my camp smells before I visually observed the wolves that day, The world of the spirit does exist, even though for most such as yourself it does not, you require ” scientific ” proof for your beliefs. The spiritual scientific proof exists beyond the verifiable physical realm you have failed to find in your lifes struggle. I have watched the spirit of the animals I have killed leave that body once death over took them. You and yours live within that shallow fleshiness, I suppose you’ll never transcend that place and enter a fuller dimension of life, until you lose that life finally.

People like you are blind.
Jay-M

Its great to witness the spirit of a hunter, How was the hunting and or fishing Greg?
Greg Farber

The fishing was excellent, in a couple of days I’ll tack up and go hit that lake again now that the bugs are leaving. The game in unit 34, the lower SW section of the Church Wilderness is nothing it once was for three decades of my life wandering about in that section. The wolves cleaned it out and left it nearly empty of elk and deer. The Sand Hill Cranes did put on a great show though along elk creek, now known as, to me at least, no elk creek.
jes

Excellent response, Greg, and one that Lee cannot understand….Many times have I felt the same way, and knew that there was a way beyond explanation, beyond the senses, except the sense of spirit……which she has failed to comprehend. Perhaps it is the same sense that grasps truth when it is known, but is never accepted without her “scientific data”, which is always only the data of her own choosing…
http://www.prosts.com/ Bruce Hemming

The problem with people like Lee is they are a failure in life. So they get behind the wolf cause thinking they are doing good. It is fanatical religion to them they don’t care about the people, they don’t care about business going under they don’t care about school children stalked and threaten, the only thing that matter in their shallow little world is the fake Endangered species of wolves. I mean come on anyone with 1 brain cell knows for a fact that wolves are not endangered. Everyone with one brain cell know there is barren landscape where wolves are thick. They hate hunters cause they hate freedom. They hate that free people can go in the woods find a deep ancient rite of passage of putting meat on the table. That is an unknown to them therefore they fear it and want to stop it.

The wolf is just like the Globull warming fanatic that British court said it was Religion to them. Not base in fact not base in reality but some fanatical dreamland of Gaia worship. These lunatic will never understand the truth nor do they care to understand the truth. It is single focus Disneyland fantasy where truth, facts science and reality are not allowed. A Green cancer that has infected far to many in this country.
Jay-M

Work for me is winding down and I never had an opportunity to get into the back country this year even once. I have heard mixed stories of the archery hunting that is fast ending here in Kalispell, Some elk are being found in the high steep country and mule deer, but finding whitetails is not so promissing. Spineless fish and game still in denial or choose to ignor the wolf issue. So two weeks from now I have ten days to spend with a brother, headed east for antelope, deer, and one cow elk. Then I have two weeks after we come back to set up the wall tent and hunt for others to try and get a deer or two. I put away my hunting rifle at that time and only carry my 22-250. Long distance head shots on grouse is great fun.
Sean from Oregon

Not sure if anyone’s reading this post anymore, but I wandered in here today while eating lunch, and just felt the need to comment on one single point. Above, Stephen says:

“But over the last couple of years, with the Elk herds movin in closer to population, and the numbers decreasing, the wolves have moved in very close to poulation.”

Are there statistics to back this assertion, or are we seeing more run – ins with wildlife because WE are pushing into THEIR areas? US population denisty has increased 20 – fold in 200 years, and shows no real sign of letting up.

The human race is the only species (that I know of) that is constantly increasing in size. As such, we will forever be embroiled in this attitude of “that animal’s in my yard”. Here’s the big question: How do we DEAL with it?
Steve

I think the greatest tragedy here about the wolves is that there was already a large population of undisturbed native Idaho wolves. The Canadian Grey’s are much, much larger and are a natural predator to the native population. Our Native wolf population has been killed off nearly to extinction. You want the truth about the wolves here in the county, call the local sheriff, his name is sheriff Giddings. A great patriot and one who knows the truth in many areas. Not just about the issues of the wolves. I have spoken to and spent a fair amount of time with this man. He defends the people in this county as if they were his family, which we are.

The comment about seeing my name in the paper?? Yes this is me you speak of. A man who speak his mind and the truth no matter who it offends. Political correctness is a poison to the truth. Our first amendment protects that truth. I have been targeted and pursued by those who wish to silence me. If you do not know me, you can not judge me. I judge no man til I know him personally. Most are unaware that there is an attack in the process on those who believe in our Constitution, Bill of Rights and Conservative traditional values. In all these areas including the obvious Christian values of the Founding Fathers are being demonized as old outdated and non relevant relics of ancient days and civilizations. These values are what I support. Not because of the tradition involved but because of the traditions from where they came from, but the moral values which they embrace. If we lose sight of common sense thinking by the twisting of the minds of the people for the changing of society, we threaten the very foundations which made and had kept this nation strong from it’s beginning. I have studies our founders and their thinking, both anti-federalist and federalist. Much is to be said about the clear and great value in these men’s thinking and understanding of human nature. It is this understanding which lead to the institution of these principles and documents. They merely and simply applied to parchments that common sense and values contained in those rights which our Creator gave to us. When you work as hard as i have to open men’s minds to the obvious truths they work so hard to destroy, you create enemies. This is what happened to me. I am merely and simply a political casualty in this was for our minds.

The issues of extinction of wolves being solved by bringing in a non-native wolf population which has killed off nearly all of what natives we did have is a contradiction to their stated goals. To me this shows that they, who support the idea of bringing in a non-native specie have not considered the impact of these actions.

Like when I lived in Montana back in the 70′s. The fish and game wanted to increase the population and size of the Chinook salmon runs. Great idea had they done their research properly and completely and thoroughly enough to understand that the food source they chose would kill off completely in two spawning cycles the entire Chinook population.

They introduced a specie of shrimp which fed on their eggs, The first year the shrimo were in the waters the fish grew and SEEMED to increase in size by a large degree. But the third year only a very few Chinook went up the river to spawn. the fourth year, the entire population was gone. It was a failed experiment.
ar

Jail would be a good place to start for USFWS along with DoW and their putting the filth-mutt in the woods, not saying anything about it even after knowing damned well no one – who has to deal with it – wanted them in the first place.

But, you’d have to spend time and effort getting to know truth from lies and stealing money for emotions from an establishment that gave you the game in the first place and it took years and quelling the dogs out there, for one. But, again, that’s only knowledge and common sense and history that will not be read by most lovers of dirty dogs. If you’ve surmised I want dogs dead, meaning the illegal wolves released into the states, you are completely lost, friend. We don’t want them nasty things all dead, like you might read about. That’s a lie. The dog was an illegal thing. If that is not settling with you at this point, well, then, what is the point? There’ll be no convincing of anything until a big fat bunch of crap lies is delt with. The lovers of dogs have been used as, well, useful idiots, sorry. But, it’s true. Most every one is so out of it in the minds as far any knowledge of what goes on in the woods, they have believed Anything; to detriment.

Game management stays at the local level not in washington or the UNITED NATIONS agenga 21. Go read. You have been lied to and are making up things.
TLM

Sean from Oregon – first of all, private land is not public land. Do we need wolves on private land? Once the rancher is run out of business the developers come in, and we get houses where once was open space shared with the wildlife. No one is moving into the wilderness for goodness sake! However – areas that have been settled for a long time and not expanding are seeing game move closer to homes to avoid the wolves. No studies, just letters from people who live in wolf country, from all over rural Idaho and Montana. Have collected a lot of letters, and see it where we live too. Elk are usually gone from our valley by calving time, yet they had their babies in people’s yards because dealing with town dogs was safer than the wolves.

Dr. Val Geist wrote an excellent paper about his experience:
Vancouver Island Wolves
http://tinyurl.com/Outdoorsman18

scroll down to page 12.
Phil

Bruce: The fact is that Wolves have NEVER even biten a person in the lower 48 states. More facts are that Wolves are more fearful of human interactions then we are of them, which should solidify them never even biting a human.

You are false in your comments in Wolves wiping out livestock and Elk. In all of the livestock in the Great Plains region, 1% are killed by livestock, and in that 1%, Wolves are the cause of a fraction of that, 0.01%. So, if you do the math, out of every 1,000 livestock killed, Wolves consist of only 10 of those livestock. This is according to Fish and Game and Fish and Wildlife.

Actually, Scientific studies show that with the appearance of Wolves, Elk populations overall have grown. Wolves first priority is energy consumption to not sustain vulnerability for survival purposes. Wolves, in this manner, will go after the sick, injured and/or weak members in a herd. By eliminating the weak of a herd, you keep the strong alive with strong DNA components. This helps for mating and breeding purposes to sustain the strong offspring for future generations. With the strong being born, the population is increasing overall because they are living longer. Yes you are still getting the young being predated, dieing from disease, competition, etc, but a majority are living to adulthoods.

Wolves do mate for life, Bruce. There is a alpha male and female. Yes, alpha males will mate with other females within the pack, but they have a mating pair bond with the alpha female until one either disperses or passes on. You do know that Wolves born into a pack to not reside within the pack when they are sexually mature, right? Wolves will stray as far as 60 miles from their pack territory to find another pack. So, you continue your lies.

Bruce: Those Wolf attack topics are not valid. There are no Wolves in Iran. In Russia and Canada, there have been Wolf attacks, but are very rare. You are showing probably the only attacks in the past 100 years. As Tom mentioned, I checked each of those links on google and NONE were valid. Not one had a credible resource, and the ones that popped up were unprofessionally done, which means some form of person posted it up just for kicks. There was colorings that a child would make in the backgrounds, the titles were not capitalized, and much more to prove they were not professionally done.

Bruce: I know exactly who you are. You are the politician who goes around scaring people, from Arizona to New Mexico and Idaho, about Wolves. There was an article written about you in New Mexcio warning people not to let you into their homes. It is you with your views, fabrications, lobbying ways and propaganda that is the true Neo-Nazi. Nazi’s and Hitler used a lot of propaganda against others they viewed as enemies, and you do the exact same. You are on youtube with satanic videos perpetrating Wolves in a negative way with your “Freddy Kreuger” type background music, plain satanic background scenario and scary visual of yourself. I have put you in your place on youtube many times, and is why you banned me from commenting towards you in videos and your channel. The reason why you blocked me is because I proved you to be a liar, and I proved that from my field research on Carnivores, especially Wolves.

You call yourself a “naturalist”, right Bruce? A true naturalist does not share bias views on a species, they are neutral, which you are clearly not. You are about 60-70 years old, and I am SURE you are not a naturalist by profession, just by name. You are no different then the mighty hated Ron Gillette across Idaho.
Phil

I don’t know how any of you can say this is a well written article. The Bear Blog is a hunting site, so they will benefit off of any negativity of Wolves because they solely get their generated income from hunters.

Off course they are going to post hateful comments and fabricated ones about Wolves, they want to make hunters happy, and persuade, through lies, others to share their views on Wolves to benefit hunters to generate even more of an income to the site.
Phil

I strongly urge you hunters to read the latest article from the Fish and Game from July 31st, 2010 regarding who actually is doing the majority of damage to Elk, Wolves or Human Harvest? You will be absolutely shocked at what the Fish and Game found in the 29 zones researched. A little hint, in 23 of those zones, the Elk population is on the rise since the Wolf reintroduction. The other 6 are a little lower, and due to human harvest.
Phil

By the way, I am a field researcher on Animal Behavior of Carnivores, especially Wolves. I have worked with Michigan, Montana, Idaho, Minnesota, Canada, Alaska, Wyoming and Wisconsin Wolves, amongst other Carnivores. But, this blog, stated to be for Fisherman, Hunters and Outdoorsmen, is not biast, right? The truth is in their subtopic of stating the site to being for “Fisherman, Hunters and Outdoorsmen”. That in itself should justify their sole agenda to satisfy people in these categories by using propaganda and fabrications of carnivores like Wolves.
http://bluehorseoutfitters.com jim Richards

Phil,
You say you are getting your info from the fish and game.
That alone is more than enough to discredit anything you have to say.
Harley

Phil, do you ever do work with the people who do the moose/wolf research on Isle Royale?
jes

Phil, you sound like someone straight out of the book being taught for the wolf fanciers bullshit. Maybe you ought to listen to people who actually live with the problem, instead of mimic the lines of all the pro-wolf bull. Grow up and quit being a puppet. We have heard all this bullshit long enough to give it back to you line by line, and I, for one am getting tired of hearing it.
ar

Phield researcher? Har har har. You have believed other things, sonny.
jes

Field researcher gopher, ar…..
jes

Mate for life….hohoho…and I always thought they mated for sex! Basically, any bitch in heat. I will guarantee you, unless you have handcuffed a pair in captivity…Damn, these novices are a mess of know-it-alls…
Greg Farber

These clowns must go to a unit in Idaho with no wolves and study the elk herd thriving in that unit, and allow for their study to gage all of the units across the state.. Unit 54 has a nice elk herd in it, balanced cow to calf ratio, nice bulls, two friends just harvested 350 bulls out that unit.. It is a controlled unit, only 15 permits allowed.. Trusting IDFG numbers is like trusting GMC to give you the best truck made in the world.. Of course we have the best truck, buy it here now, of course we have plenty of elk, buy your tags now.. We need to sell tags.. The winter ranges speak the truth, when idaho is snow covered and in late winter those ” 115,000 ” elk should be a cake walk to locate and video tape, I used to find thousands upon thousands of elk wintering across southern Idaho for the purpose of enjoying seeing them, and knowing where to start antler hunting in early spring, and I used to harvest a couple pick up loads of horns.. I used to tack up three mules and my riding horse and go where vehicles could not go and pack those packs full of horns.. Not anymore because the winter ranges tell the truth.. Also the IDFG documented herd growth for decades and that growth shows a 30% growth pre introduction of wolves, that growth has been negative for several years now. I have 16 years worth of hunting regs stacked up here, in the last five years the IDFG has reduced tag opportunity over 50%, every hunter knows this. Phil you’re full of shit. Bullshit ! You’re just passing on lies !

The wolf zone- Sawtooth Zone, includes the Boise River Zone- Unit 39, plus all of units 33-34-35-36. All of those areas are not rocky and there are thousands of meadows and thousands of wooded hilly terrain with meadows. See the hundreds of meadows of Bear Valley, see the lower section of the Church Wilderness, See the landscape around White Hawk Basin, Deadwood river country.. Obviously I have spent more years and time in this entire zone than yourself. Of course there are a lot of nice peaks all through this zone. Also since we agree this zone was not to carrying capacity, although this zone did have many more ungulates at one time than it does now, For me at least harvesting an elk was reasonably doable, not nearly impossible as it is now, one should be able to understand strict wolf management would be very important to maintain that balance needed to keep the wolf in supply, and us hunters. And I hope you realize those elk from the north of that unit, -25-26-27- migrated into the Sawtooth Zone, and many of the elk of the Sawtooth Zone migrated into 43-44-45-48-49-50 during late fall early winter… It is all effected. If you are as in the know enough about biology and ecosystems as you think you are perhaps you should get to know the entire Sawtooth Zone unit a bit better then. It be larger than YNP..

And there are very few elk, and those claims by IDFG for these units do not blame hunting by man but hunting by WOLVES as the cause for the crashed elk herds in this YNP sized area I hunt.

” This is important for you and others to understand. The report DOES NOT say that hunting is responsible for elk population declines. The Newsletter “report” (a general summary of findings, not a complete technical report) explains that: elk population strengths vary across the state; in 5 of the 11 elk management zones being monitored, predators were the primary cause of elk deaths and in 3 of those 5 zones, wolves were the primary cause of death; adult cow elk and calf elk survival determine the stability or growth of an elk population; the 5 zones where predators are the primary cause of death are the same 5 (of 11 studied zones) zones where elk populations are declining; the only other zone experiencing elk population decline is the Pioneer Zone, where hunting caused the majority of elk deaths. Hunting opportunity (harvest) has been reduced in the Pioneer Zone.

To summarize the summary – where hunting was the most important cause of elk mortality in a declining elk population (Pioneer Zone), elk hunting has already been adjusted/managed to assure desired, sustainable numbers of elk, elk hunting opportunity and other beneficial uses of elk in that Zone. In 5 of the remaining 10 studied elk zones, elk populations are in decline and non-human predation is the largest source of mortality in those zones. In 3 of those 5 zones, wolves kill more elk than any other source. ” —Mark Gamblin I.D.F.G.

Elk numbers in the Lolo and Sawtooth elk management zones are seriously depressed – by wolf predation. The science (years of high quality elk and wolf population radio-telemetry data) is clear. Wolf predation is depressing elk production well below what we should expect for the habitat quality in those zones. Elk habitat quality was following a natural, declining trend after the 1910 fires. The depressed elk production and the factors contributing to that depression is a combination of habitat quality AND substantial wolf predation on productive cow and calf elk.
—Mark Gamblin–South West Director Idaho Fish and Game..August 15, 2009, 2:40 pm

The Lolo and Sawtooth Zones the recent, sharp decline in elk productivity and recruitment I referred to is due to wolf predation of productive cows and their calves, not hunting mortality. The radio-telemety data we have for cows and calves in those zones gives us the fate of each collared elk and allows us to accurately estimate the wolf predation rate of cows and calves. Having good baseline data for these elk populations from previous years, including hunting harvest data, we can say with certainty that wolf predation has pushed elk production and recruitment in these two zones below levels that have required substantial reductions in the elk hunting opportunity that was allowable with essentially the same habitat when wolves were introduced. HOW we manage this new wildlife population dynamic (elk-wolf) and the necessary changes in public uses and benefits of those resources is of course our challenge.— Mark Gamblin —–South West Director Idaho Fish and Game..August 15, 4:08 pm

I spend thousands of dollars and hours in this Sawtooth Zone, Boise River Zone, which is included in the Sawtooth Zone for wolves, and the several surrounding units which are all related to the migrations involved and what I see has nothing to do with Phils false claims, he is simply reading reports someone else makes up..

In order to successfully hunt the units in question, I have had a full understanding of those migrations for decades.. The truth is the Sawtooth was never to full carrying capacity for ungulates in eighty years since managed hunts were founded, but those units did show positive herd growth prior to wolf introduction. Also the southern units of course are controlled hunts, meaning they can not sustain and open general hunting season.. This not only protected the local herds growth this protected the migratory herds from the north as well.. Thus all of these above units could never sustain unmanaged wolves exploding their own populations and crashing the ungulates and then those wolves which survived this chaos dispersed.. Thats where we are at..

I have hundreds of private acres within the national forest and those acres are sterile of game.. Go bullshit your friends Phil..
Greg Farber

I should mention the Pioneer Zone which they claim they allowed to be over hunted for spike elk, at the same time had seven undocumented wolf packs in it, along with the documented Phantom Pack.. The Smokey Mountain pack also ranged over to the winter elk herds of the Pioneer Zone.. Once again the Pioneer Zone has for decades been a controlled hunt unit ( limited tags released by draw only ) Thus this unit could not sustain and open general elk hunt..

How then can the scientists turn around and claim the same unit can handle full on hunting by wolf packs year around.. By telling lies !

The winter ranges are honest.. The wolves are honest.. The wolf cultists and their false science are nothing more than a pack of liars !

Why has IDFG not video taped all of these 115,000 elk, with witnesses along for the flights ? In fact they have been offered free flights by us to do so.. My family has three planes… Several other friends have planes.. They won’t go because then they would get embarassed…
Steve

It is amazing how people cling to their own main stream media manipulated understanding of facts. Do you really think that the nature of the wolf has changed since creation. They are a freaking predator. Open a dictionary and define the word .Predator “one who preys on” the weaker, or seeks to prey on. What the heck do you think they eat? Grass!!!! You people who listen to the mainstream media are listening to the mouthpiece of the environmentalist movement . Also known as one segment of the socialist movement in this country.

Stop thinking the media or some Scientist who lived for the governments hung funding which fills their pockets with money and gives them a reason to exist will actually come down here and do a real survey, collect real data for themselves. And then tell the truth.????

I dare anyone to come to the county here and take a two or three day stroll in the hills. And if you then retrace your steps, if you haven’t already been confronted by the packs (some of which are 30 or more large) look to see who has been following you. That is if you are not alone and unarmed. Strap a steak to your pack and see how fast they come a running. There is not one person that has seen what I have seen or talked to those I have talked to that will continue with this protect he wolves road apples. Unless they are truly as closed minded as they are on this blog.

What is the saying? If you ain’t lived with it, you ain’t got anything to say. Or any reason to judge what you know little or nothing about. Those with an agenda, well they have an agenda. No matter the facts they will defend that agenda even when proven wrong. It is a shame so many have their heads in the clouds of media produce falsehoods.

I love all of God creation, even the wolves. They should be managed to reasonable number to secure all of the rest of God creation. When one become destructive to the other. then what?
Bruce

All wolf lovers are anti American Eco Nazi’s Hitler played the same game on the German people about saving the wildlife and worshipping the wolves. You can read it in their comments about how much they hate people. Only the most gullible easy to fool people fall for this lie on the wolves. Many want to kill all hunters. With warped perverted thinking like that you can see the ovens warming up to kill all the Jews again Opps sorry I mean Hunters.
Harley

Steve, the trouble is most of those that are so for the wolves in such a way as to exclude everything else have forgotten or simply refuse to acknowledge that there is a God and we are all His creations. Science has replaced faith.
I love the wolf. I also love the elk. And I happen to find a value on human life too though we are fair from perfect…
Harley

oops far from perfect, not fair.
Black Jack

Anyone who starts comparing wolf lovers to Nazis is a moron.

Yeah, yeah, Germany was the first modern nation to pass wildlife protection laws in 1934. If you do some research, you will see that Friedrich Nietzsche and Oswald Spengle were the ones who pushed for wolf protection. Both Nietzche and Spengle weren’t exactly Nazi supporters.
Wolf. Legend, Enemy, Icon
Rebecca L. Grambo,
Firefly Books LTD 2008 p.155

Nazis wanted ELK around as much as wolves! I guess anyone who wants to “Save Elk” and have “hunting reserves” is a Nazi?
Herman Goering wanted to use the Bialowieza forest for a giant hunting reserve for German elk & bison.
http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/nazi_ecology.htm

Nazis liked hunting. Does that mean all hunters are Nazis?
http://www.usmbooks.com/nazi_hunting_material.html

Communists wanted to to protect game animals. Everyone interested in protecting game animals is a communist?
“The Communist Party issued a decree “On Land” in 1918. What’s surprising is that the Soviet government was just as protective of game animals as the forests”
. Douglas R. Weiner’s “Models of Nature: Ecology, Conservation, and Cultural Revolution in Soviet Union” (Indiana Univ., 1988)

“Nazis were wildlife conservationists as they believed in hunting and wildlife management.”
–Arthur Arluke and Boria Sax, The Nazi Treatment of Animals and People.

Hunting & wildlife management is also associated with Nazis. Does that mean hunters are Nazis? Comparing people to Nazis is what unintelligent morons do. They like to equate their opponents with Nazis in lieu of providing rational arguments.
Black jack

Yeah, yeah, Germany was the first modern nation to pass wildlife protection laws in 1934. If you do some research, you will see that Friedrich Nietzsche and Oswald Spengle were the ones who pushed for wolf protection. Both Nietzche and Spengle weren’t exactly Nazi supporters.
Wolf. Legend, Enemy, Icon
Rebecca L. Grambo,
Firefly Books LTD 2008 p.155

Nazis wanted ELK around as much as wolves! I guess anyone who wants to “Save Elk” and have “hunting reserves” is a Nazi?

Herman Goering wanted to use the Bialowieza forest for a giant hunting reserve for German elk & bison.
http://www.columbia.edu/~lnp3/mydocs/ecology/nazi_ecology.htm

Nazis liked hunting. Does that mean all hunters are Nazis?
http://www.usmbooks.com/nazi_hunting_material.html

Communists wanted to to protect game animals. Everyone interested in protecting game animals is a communist?
“The Communist Party issued a decree “On Land” in 1918. What’s surprising is that the Soviet government was just as protective of game animals as the forests”
. Douglas R. Weiner’s “Models of Nature: Ecology, Conservation, and Cultural Revolution in Soviet Union” (Indiana Univ., 1988)

“Nazis were wildlife conservationists as they believed in hunting and wildlife management.”
–Arthur Arluke and Boria Sax, The Nazi Treatment of Animals and People.

Hunting & wildlife management is associated with Nazis too. Does that mean hunters are Nazis? Comparing people to Nazis is what unintelligent morons do. They like to equate their opponents with Nazis in lieu of providing rational arguments.
Bruce

What is matter Fake name the truth hurts too much for you too handle??

Come on tell us the truth what is your real name and who do you work for? Who is paying you to spread your disinformation?

You could start by using your real name. Oh that’s right you have to hide remaids me of the NAZI brownshirt. LOL Only have courage when you are in gang.
john

Use your “real name” or you are a coward. Sounds like something a 12 year old would say.
Back to the subject; Calling people names, like NAZIS, is something a 12 year old would do too.

How about this? Nazis loved hunting & “big game animals”!!

“Goering maintained close ties with zoologists and animal lovers, particularly those interested in big game animals, around Germany. Partly, this was because he was a big game hunter:”
“Goering reintroduced buffalo and elk to German grasslands”
http://herbertcroly.wordpress.com/2010/07/03/goerings-lion/

Hermann Goering, in his capacity as Reichsforst- und Jägermeister (Reich Master of the Forest and Hunt), was a keen conservationist eager not only to protect endangered species of big game, but ambitious enough to promote attempts at breeding backward in order to restore especially desirable extinct species, including most notably the aurochs (Bos primigenius).
http://neveryetmelted.com/categories/big-game-hunting/

“In 1939 the local inhabitants of Polish ethnicity were deported to remote areas of the Soviet Union. They were replaced with Soviet forest workers, but in 1941 the forest was occupied by Germans and the Soviet inhabitants were also deported. Hermann Göring planned to create the biggest hunting reserve in the world there.”
http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Bialowieza_Forest

Does this mean hunters are Nazis? No, and not too many people are going around saying that because the only ones who like calling people childish names like Nazis are morons who are incapable of saying anything intelligent.

Tom Remington

John – Please stop double posting. When you leave comments with more than one link in it, the comment will get held up and often ends up getting caught up in the SPAM software, sometimes lost. The more often you comment (using the same information and IP address) the SPAM software eases up often allowing more than one link. If you find it necessary to provide several legitimate links, include them in separate posts. Thank you!

Bruce

John Nope I am sick and tired of people hiding behind their keyboard. the 12 years old are the ones hiding like cowards behind fake names. Stop acting like a 12 year.

How about this the NAZI plan to do a wildland project in Poland after they killed all the people. Who wants a wildland project here in American the NAZI WOLF LOVING LUNATICS. IT IS FACT SORRY IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

The Nazi are like Ted Turner wolves for everyone else but not on his ranch. Calling names is for morons LOL Is that an oxymoron or what. LMAO

You just hate the facts that the Nazi protected the wolves. That the Nazi wanted a wildland project no differences between the NAZI’S then and you wolf loving lunatics here in America. Ask Ted Turner about hunting on his ranch. Oh but that is different right LOL.
Who wants to put ranchers out of business here in America the anti American wolf lovers. Cold uncaring and hate for people that is all the proof anyone needs to show you wolf lovers are acting like NAZI’S sorry you are not intelligent enough to see the historical facts. But then propaganda and brainwashing is working great the Nazi are still here in America supporting the wolves.

What the matter John afraid to post your real name LMAO

Bruce Hemming
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

Well, I am certainly not afraid of YOU knowing my real name. On some other posts, I see someone posting with “fake” names like “buckshot”, “Buckshot59″ and whatever else you use. Maybe using a nickname is the sign of a COWARD because you do it.
Bruce Hemming

Jonathon that was very weak guess you not here to talk about wolves but just attack me. LMAO

Yes how is that Nazi wildland project going? forcing Americans off their land for the animals. Who is the ones acting like Nazi that would be the eco terrorist threatening to kill hunters. Just in time for Bear man to stop posting imagine that LMAO
Bruce Hemming

?”in the space of just three years (1849 – 1851), 260 adults and 110 children died because? of wolves (Lazarevskii, 1876). Official statistics were kept of the cases. In the annual reports of the governors this information was concentrated in the table on the causes of death of the population into the column ”Killed by …wild predators”. “Of all the 221 studied cases (attacks by non-rabid wolves 1820-1861) 73,4% of the children died, but only 13,5% of the adults.”

More documented facts that wolves will target and kill humans.
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

Yes, I am not here to talk about wolves or even argue with anybody. There are some people I disagree with but at least I can have some respect for them. I disagree with Greg, but I will admit he is capable of saying something intelligent and he can do some actual research on something. All you do is call people Nazis and only publish “facts” that are so extremely biased, your argument is ludicrous. What is this crap from the 1800′s? If you published how many people were killed by Bears, domestic dogs, lions, or especially humans, It would show that wolves are relatively nothing to worry about as far as attacking humans. I am not going to waste my time discussing wolves with you.

What do you have, “Nazi tourettes syndrome”? I see you have been calling people Nazis even on something that has nothing to do with wolves.

Even our National Guard is filled with NAZIS, according to you!

http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2009/02/living-in-imperial-world-national-guard.html

“I just read about your planned take over of America town in April. I must remind you that you the National Guard job is not to train the American free citizens to accept illegal use of American Armed Forces to do house to house searches. This sound like some NAZI came up with this plan. How dare you take a swore oath to the U.S. Constitution to protect and defend from foreign and DOMESTIC threats. Hello is anyone home. I suggest you cancel this exercise of a 4 day training course on how to be good Nazi’s you instead have 4 days of training in the U.S. Constitution and your duty to protect the Constitution. It truly appears you are lacking in any knowledge of your swore oath. The Officer that came up with this illegal plan should be force to resign immediately.

Traitor is too good of word. No Nazi’s in Iowa National Guard.”

Bruce Hemming
Retired Military ND
TLM

Its too bad you don’t want to talk about wolves. Comparing wolves to bears and lions is down right silly. The risk is much different. In bear and lion country – a good dog is protection – in wolf country a dog is a liability. Unless you have walked the walk, maybe you should try a mile in our shoes…
bear man

Not only does he call people names, but he doesn’t seem to like hearing the facts. I mean let’s be serious here, anyone who thinks Hitler was a communist is an idiot who doesn’t know what they are talking about. You give the idiot proof that Hitler wasn’t a vegetarian, what does he do, he continues to say he was when the evidence says otherwise. The idiot Bruce just cannot stand the facts. It’s like talking and trying ti get thru to a retarded child. It’s an impossible challenge to succeed at. In his mind, anyone who is a vegetarian is an evil person just because Hitler was supposedly one when infact he wasn’t. Anyone who loves animals is a sick and evil person. This is how this lunatic thinks.Not rational in any way.
bear man

“Hitler’s biographer Robert Payne says Hitler ”…had a special fondness for Bavarian sausages”.

“Salvatore Paolini, a former waiter to Hitler said ”On the whole he never ate meat… but he did like sausages and ham”.

And Dione Lucas, Hitler’s cook during the late 1930s, said his favourite dish was ”stuffed squab” (that’s young pigeon).

Now, watch Bruce come here and deny these facts. The facts are pretty clear, but yet Bruce denies them. Here we have Hitler, a meat eater who was a right wing fascist that is responsible for the many deaths of many people and these people included communists which Bruce accuses Hitler and nazis of being. There is no talking to this guy because he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. He just makes things up as he goes because he is afraid of the truth.
Bruce Hemming

Jonathan I must have really hit a nerve with you do so much research on me. That took a long time to find that article. I said you are here to attack me not talk about the truth. I found the book with the proof that the Nazi’s like you want the wolves protected. Sorry if the truth hurts you so much. Attacking me does nothing to change the documented facts you are supporting NAZI thinking on wolves. LMAO just drives you crazy doesn’t it. Yes I believe in America I believe in Freedom I believe that our Government is over stepping. You on the other hand are Just a NAZI you believe in the all Powerful Federal Government you hate state rights, you hate freedom, you hate ranchers ,you hate hunting, and you hate we have the freedom to carry a gun. Drives you insane because in your perfect little world you would have the Gestapo murder people like me. You are one sick twisted anti America. Tell us Jonathon how proud you are to follow in the NAZI tradition of saving wolves you know the documented facts.
Bruce Hemming

LMAO who is calling names Bear man LMAO OMG you are funny the topic is wolves. The documented facts are NAZI were the first country to protect wolves. So in fact you supporting NAZI thinking in American drives you insane that I found the proof doesn’t it LMAO go to YOUR KKK meeting or is tonight your Nazi skinhead meeting LMAO
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

Oh yeah, the topic is supposed to be wolves! From reading Bruce’s posts, I thought it was NAZIS. Do skinheads & the KKK support wolves too? Nazis, communists, fascists, skinheads, the KKK?
Bruce Hemming

LMAO Tell how it feels to be so Un American to support the NAZI wolf cult in American. Documented facts LMAO.
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

Bruce, did you come up with your Nazi theory from reading ONE book?

Adolf Hitler may not have shot himself dead and perhaps did not even die in his bunker, it emerged yesterday.
A skull fragment believed for decades to be the Nazi leader’s has turned out to be that of a woman under 40 after DNA analysis.

Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1216455/Hitlers-skull-really-womans-Fresh-doubts-death-tests-bullet-hole.html#ixzz1BLAAzngq

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1216455/Hitlers-skull-really-womans-Fresh-doubts-death-tests-bullet-hole.html

WOW, LOOK AT THIS! MAYBE HITLER MADE IT TO AMERICA! THIS IS CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE THAT THE ULTIMATE PLAN OF THE NAZIS WAS TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD BY USING WOLVES!!
Bruce Hemming

Here is list of wolf attack on people this is just a partial list. You can find the list here http://www.savewesternwildlife.org/ under the forums..

Wolf Attack Canada
Wolf attack has sides lining up again over wolf control
WOLVES KILL CARETAKER IN A CANADIAN FOREST AND WILDLIFE RESERVE
Child killed in wolf attack in Russia’s Far East
Georgian villagers armed for self-defenses against wolves
Afghan Wolf Attacks
Homeless man eaten by wolves in Iran
India Fighting Plague Of Man-Eating Wolves
Wolf Attacks in Georgia Lead Villagers to Seek License to Kill
Wolf pack kills moose calf
Wolf Attacks Spur MN Rancher To Sell
Wolf Encounters Lead To Fear In Ely
Rabid Wolf Attacks Hunter
Boy is injured by wolf dog used for teaching
Beast at Large: Wolf attacks bring fear to villagers
Attacking wolf pack encourages heightened pet owner awareness
Wolf hybrid kills grandson, 5
WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW CAN KILL YOU!!! Wolves!!!!!!!!!!!!
Port Moody kayaker fights off starving, predatory wolf
B.C. senior sustains bruises in wolf attack
Six injured in rare wolf attack
Dog saves family from wolf attack
Ontario man killed in wolf attack, coroner’s jury finds
More Wolf Attacks in Idaho And Minnesota
4 wolves viciously attacked and killed school teacher 2010

Can we stop lying about wolves don’t attack people. I am searching for more attacks that I know of like the guy in Wisconsin had to use a chain saw to keep a pack of wolves off him. All kinds of attacks you never hear about. The Eco Nazi play games with the search engines to keep you from finding out the truth about wolves. That is why I am posting the attacks here so we can keep our own records proving all the lies the Eco Nazi’s tell the public about the “so called” rare wolf attacks. Just reading that list does it look rare to you? Only a fool would believe these are the only attacks that have happen to people! How many more never get reported or changed to a different animal due to the Parent worrying about going to jail for saving their child from a bloodthirsty killer wolf attack.

You hate my research of proving you wolf lovers are anti human don’t you. Now you two can call me sub human like your hero Hitler did for telling the truth about wolves.
bear man

Johnathan, don’t waste your time arguing with Bruce. You are dealing with an uneducated man who doesn’t know his history from his a-hole. All he does is deny the truth he doesn’t clearly want to hear. It’s as if he really wants to believe that Hitler and his nazis were left wing communists just because he doesn’t want to acknowledge the fact that they were right wing fascists.
bear man

Not only the name calling, but he also makes false assumptions about you He does the lmao thing to make others pretend he is laughing at you when infact he is laughing at himself because he knows he clearly doesn’t know his history and all he can do is make false assumptions about you because he can’t win any argument. Johnathan. A tactic he uses because he knows he has no idea what he’s talking about and it shows. When he can’t win the argument, name calling and making false assumptions about you is the name of his game. This guy Bruce doesn’t know his history from his a-hole. You can tell him the truth a million times and he will continue to deny it because he does not want to admit that Hitler and the nazis were right wing fascists, not left wing communists which Hitler killed.
bear man

Bruce, you did not even know the difference between communism and fascism. You fail to admit the truth and that is Hitler was a right wing fascist, like you most likely are. You don’t get it, people are not laughing with you, they are laughing at you for your obvious lack of knowledge on history. When you can’t win an argument, all you can do is make false assumptions about people. As I said, you obviously don’t know your history from ya a-hole.
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

Yeah, well you know what I think?
I read this ONE book &….. Duh…. it proves NAZIS are in America and they are responsible for wolves running all over the place!
Nazis are planning to ILLEGALLY introduce Siberian wolves to the east coast. These wolves are larger and more aggressive than native wolves. They can weigh up to 500 pounds. That way an EASTERN FRONT can be opened up in the US! Billions of wolves will kill everything and eat everybody. The NAZIS will take over America and then the world!

Yeah, they are NAZIS!!! LMAO, all NAZIS and COMMUNISTS!!! LMAO, LMAO. These NAZIS are COWARDS, LMAO!!!! Duh…. If we don’t stop the NAZIS, the earth will be taken over by trillions of wolves!! Did I mention these NAZIS are also COMMUNISTS and FASCISTS! And they are COWARDS, LMAO, LMAO!!! Every person who does not want to rid the world of wolves is a NAZI!!!!!! LMAO, Blah, Blah, Blah……
Wait, I can’t stop talking till I say it one more time……….NAZI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harley

Yeah… I think I need to unsubscribe to this one.
Greg Farber

Nearly every country in the world past and present has ruled by a poltical and economic system that combines two or more forms of government, using Authority, Economics, and Politics. Hitler was using multiple forms of government, so is the U.S. actually. The U.S. is not a true capitalist society, since the government actually provides some services for its citizens, Additionally, one person’s opinion of the type of government may differ from another’s, many argue that the U.S. is actually a plutocracy rather than a democracy.

I like to start with the defintions the different forms of government and connect the dots so to speak based on actions by governments. The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto, are not hard to discern as a tool being used in our country, we recognize, at least attempt to recognize our Bill of Rights. Our government has used many Executive Orders which are UnConstitutional and Fascist in nature. The actions of a dictator. Capitalism – Socialism – Communism – Dictatorship – Totalitarian – Theocracy – Monarchy – Parliamentary – Republic – Anarchy – Revolutionary – Totalitarian – Oligarchy/Plutocracy – Democracy -, I could post several more forms of politcal – isms, but see no point in doing so. Many governments have used several of these forms at once. The U.S. included. This nation had/has a Constitution, Declaration of Independence, which purely mean RULE BY THE MANY NOT BY THE FEW.

This is simply not the case in America today. I’ve also collected many documents from states archives showing that several Amendment’s beyond the 12th A, have never been properly ratified. Regardless, what we have is a confusing mess and mass division. If someone can show me any government by man which has not failed, and explain to me how a global government being instituted using the forms of government shown can and will be a success in the future, I’ll tell them at the cost of who’s blood, and upon who’s bones shall this come about. And I warn you, the blood letting has already begun, and the bone pile is growing. Good luck.

One damn thing is certain, after 35 years of researching this I am convinced man will never be happy with any model, nor will man ever collectively agree on any subject. We enjoyed a system that protected the minority, allowed private property rights, freedom of conscience, we are watching it be taken down by utter madmen. The end result will not be good.

When any church or government will inscribe over it’s form of authority the Saviour’s condensed statement of law and gospel;

“Thou Shalt love the LORD thy GOD with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbour as thy self ” and not steal nor murder in the doing of such then that church or government I will join and support with all of my heart.

When men lie, steal and murder for the greater good to bring about their cause, nothing good can nor will come of it.

That’s my thirty-five cents worth for the day..

Not much sense in communicating here any more.
http://bluehorseoutfitters.com Jim Richards

I think Johnathon needs a time out.
Bruce Hemming

This was way too much fun Jonathon and Bear Man thanks for proving you guys are losing it. One book hardly several here lets compare shall we.

Nazi Protect the wolves documented facts.

You wolf lovers are protecting wolves documented fact.

Nazi target people by calling them Sub Human.

You wolf lovers call hunters sub human. Documented fact.

A wildland project in Poland after of course the Nazi killed all the People.

A wildland project here in America starting with Yukon to Yellowstone documented fact. Wonder where they got that idea from.

Worship Not the Creature J.Y. Jones

Hitler called all hunters poachers.

Wolf lovers call all hunters poachers wonder where they got that connection LMAO

You two really hate documented facts don’t you. LMAO
Animals in the Third Reich: Pets, Scapegoats, and the Holocaust (Paperback)
Page 75 In 1934 Germany was the first country to put wolves under protection. Wolves were used as a means of demeaning and Tormenting the Jews.
The top of page 79 in the author own words not mind.
“The cult of the wolf continued to influence western culture long after the end of the Nazi Regime.” A few paragraph later
Aldo Leopold went to German in 1935 to study German forestry upon his return the CO FOUNDER OF THE WILDERNESS SOCIETY and Began the work of return of the wolves and other predators based on German example.

What is the matter you going to have find a new job now that your little con of the wolves are great is over LMAO

BTW the topic is wolves and the documented facts are you are following your hero Hitler,
Bruce Hemming

I guess you two wolf lovers are more this type.
Michael Vic wannabe support the wolves a quote from the book, “Mountain Men” by Vardis Fisher. On Page 35.

“The Wild dogs family ate it victim alive, if the victims had the stoutness and pluck to keep breathing until the enemy’s hunger was appeased. Many a buffalo still walked the prairies that had had a wolf meal taken out of it. Depending on the strength of his hunger , or his mood, the wolf would rip and tear with it’s long sharp teeth, usually into the side or back, to get at the liver; and often it devoured all the tender flesh along the lower spine before it victim died. Or it might open a hole in the belly. If it had a taste for hams it might eat most the flesh off a hindquarter. Many a buffalo or elk calf or yearling survived the rendering of it flesh and the drinking of it blood , and lived as a cripple, hideously scared. ”

It takes a sick perverted twisted evil vile person to champion wolves to do this to our wildlife.
Chandie Bartell

http://www.prosts.com/Article-When-Do-Wolves-Become-Dangerous.htm

Here is a link that compiles Bruce’s documentation on wolves. It’s very extensive and will take some time to read. Also I recommend his CD Undue Burden. It shows how the wolf is being used to remove ranchers off public grazing lands, and even their own private lands.

google: Wildlands Project.
Jim Beemer

I think Johnathan actually need some Anger Managment Training.
Bruce Hemming

The damnable lies that continue out of lazy, corrupt media mouthpieces regarding the true state of the wolves on the eco system is nothing short of reprehensible. But we have growing voice to expose the fraud. The pathological liars in the wolf cult are going insane because they no longer control the message. Listen can you hear it? That is the death cries from the radicals as more and more members of the wolf cult leave never to return.
TLM

While everyone argues politics, the wolves are getting ready for another mating season. Their population will double by spring. This story was originally about Idaho County’s wolf problem – it has not gone away – the people there have seen no relief, no understanding and no help from our governor. By the very act of speaking out, they have had derision heaped upon them by the extremists. Funny how these extremists live far away from wolf country! Armchair experts. Watched some goofy guy on National Geographic last night puking up food for wolf puppies and saying that it was science!
Rick Ready

Wow Johnathon, I’m not sure if you realize the degree which you are yelling through your typing style, I would suggest a check up by your physician or a visit to the nearest medication dispensary as soon as possible. Some very good medications are out there to ease your aggressive behavior. It might just save either yourself from self-inflicted harm or at the very least save your keyboard some abuse. Just sayin-
Bruce Hemming

Here you go TLM This event is coming up. I spend my own money to make a wolf film have you see it? http://www.prosts.com
Scott Rockholm is doing the same thing to expose this fraud.
Many of us have donated fought educated and informed the public of what is truly going on.. Now it up to you and all the hunters to get behind us and demand change.

Place: Boise State University – Jordan Ballroom in the Student Union
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011
Time: 7:00 – 9:00 pm
Admission: Free/donations are welcome
Presenter: Jim Beers retired from the US Fish & Wildlife Service after 30 years. He served as a wildlife biologist, wetlands
biologist, special agent, & refuge manager.
Jim Beers will give a 60 minute presentation followed by Q & A discussion. Jim’s presentation will cover three main topics:
1. History of introduction of wolves in to the US
2. Problems created by introduction of wolves
3. Action Plan for solutions
Your support and sponsorship for this event is greatly appreciated. We will be offering a free Idaho For Wildlife membership for donations of $30.00 or greater. To donate only, please click the “Donate” button located below the membership subscription box on our website link below:

http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/join.html

I don’t live in Idaho but I am a member.
Chandie Bartell

The Idaho Freedom Foundation, Idaho For Wildlife
Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation
present:
History of Wolf introduction in the USA
Guest Speakers:
US Fish & Wildlife Agent Jim Beers
Governor Butch Otter
Idaho Legislatures have been invited to attend this event!

Event Details
Place: Boise State University – Jordan Ballroom in the Student Union
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011
Time: 7:00 – 9:00 pm
Admission: Free/Donations welcome

Presenter: Jim Beers retired from the US Fish & Wildlife Service after 30 years. He served as a wildlife biologist, wetlands biologist, special agent, & refuge manager. After working for the Utah Fish & Game and spending four years as a Reserve Officer in the US Navy, he joined the US Fish & Wildlife Service and was stationed in Devils Lake, North Dakota; Minneapolis, Minnesota; Grand Island, Nebraska; New York City; and Washington, DC. While in Washington Jim was a Congressional Fellow, Chief of Operations for the National Wildlife Refuge System, Program Coordinator for the Animal Damage Control Program, and for his final seven years he was the wildlife biologist in the Central Office who served as Project Officer on nearly all national wildlife projects. Jim Beers holds a Bachelors in Wildlife Resources from Utah State University and a Masters in Public Administration from the University of Northern Colorado.
TLM

Bruce, I have not seen your film (we don’t have a TV or player) – but I have passed along the link to your site to our readers a couple of times. I also try and help out the Idaho for Wildlife folks by passing along their news releases. I will not be able to attend the meeting in Boise – its 150 miles away and I don’t drive (and I have to be here to protect our animals 24/7!) I will pass along that news as well. I’ve been writing letters and passing info these last 6 years about wolves.
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

“That is the death cries from the radicals as more and more members of the wolf cult leave never to return.”
He, he, he……. It looks like at least some people were intelligent enough to recognize sarcasm but others are not so bright.
For the record, I am not a radical wolf cult member & I am not anti-hunting, although some will label me as that because I do not agree with their ideas. It is just that these overblown Nazi conspiracy theories are ridiculous and not a rational argument. I never said there should be no form of wolf management at all, but some of the stuff you hear from radical wolf-hating morons is ridiculous. Blame the wolves for everything, sort of like Hitler blamed the jews for everything.
Someone whom I may not agree with about everything made a few intelligent comments about our goverment which I actually agree with. On the other hand, some people are out of control with stupid, radical wolf hatred and are spreading a bunch of nonsence.
For the few people who are not bright enough to recognize when something is sarcasm, here you go….. NAZI, NAZI….LMAO….LMAO.. WOLF CULT NAZI………..LMAO …………………………..NAZI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Harley

You know what kills me, the real argument was lost. Extremes on one side want to blame the hunters and the ranchers, Extremes on the other side want to totally blame the wolves. The real problem is someplace in the middle perhaps? But no one wants to see the middle. They would rather get all worked up. I remember seeing a horse like that. Never went anywhere but he could sure work himself up into a lather about the goofiest things.
TLM is correct. The real problem is still out there. Wolves are not being managed. This in turn puts an added degree on safety concerns because natural prey is thinning and wolves are being habituated. These are the matters that need to be addressed. We can figure out who’s on what side of the political fence later.
Johnathon T. Dreisbaugh.

I agree, no one wants to see the middle. On one side, some people think that under no circumstances not a single wolf should ever be killed, no matter what. On the other hand, some would like to see all wolves exterminated. If no one could compromise at all and try to discuss things rationally, then it will just be non-stop arguing between irrational extremes. Of course there will be debate about how wolves should be managed but when people resort to name calling, that does not accomplish anything. Does anyone really believe that calling people Nazis and comparing stuff to the Third Reich is actually a rational argument?

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