Video Testimony and Comments About Idaho Wolf Emergency Bill

ar

Suzanne Stone; is this woman, she’s a woman, right, is she stoned or something?

What’s the matter with her “Upstairs” parts that she would stand there and lie to everyone with no remorse. She shows “tendancies”…, you know, toward being, well, “tetched”, as they say.

Rattler Rider

She’s pretty amazing isn’t she. I see Scott had his eyes on the “mysterious” Ken Cole. They say we’re paranoid of wolves, I say they’re terrified of anyone that disagrees with them, so they attempt to use whatever they can to demonize their opponent. These people have photographed our vehicles and homes, they try to photo us when ever they can, and remember it was Lynne Stone that was poking that camera at Ron a few years ago. These people have personally attacked me for years for telling what I see in the Sawtooth and surrounding hunt units.

Ken Cole today at the hate blog.

” I certainly got the stinkeye from Scott Rockholm when sitting outside in front of the Capitol yesterday. I purposely wore my WWP hat there and he noticed it as he walked by me while he was telling someone on the phone that he thought he had seen Suzanne Stone at the rally. He did a double take.

I guess that people could feel intimidated at these events but I showed up after the speechifying was over. I have attended a few of the events but I don’t usually make my identity known. I attended one event a few years ago in Cascade where Ron Gillett gave his presentation. After it became apparent that I had videotaped it for publication here he gave another speech someplace where, I was told, he said something about how there were going to be a few wolf advocates floating in Payette Lake.

The following was posted on the BBB:

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/2010/08/08/wolves-listed-wolves-delisted-the-incompetent-usfws/

******* on August 10th, 2010 5:41 pm
Would you like me to post Marvels and Ertz’s home addresses, both live near Hailey, Ken Cole, Boise, Ralph Maughan, Pocatello.. WWPs main office is in Downtown Hailey Idaho, those offices are upstairs in the E.G. Willis Building, owned by Bruce Willis, the rent is not cheap for that office space..

******* on August 10th, 2010 5:46 pm
I had a private email exchange going with Brian but when the evidence became to insurmountable he stopped answering.. These people are liars, they cannot handle the truth of this world nor the fact that they have been lied to and bought it hook line and sinker..

******* on August 13th, 2010 7:05 pm
I have photoed their homes, vehicles, and them about town.. Some day a very revealing blog may just get posted. But these people do not need any help destroying their own legacy’s, their doing a fine job of it themselves.. It’s only a matter of time.

The problem isn’t isolated to just those of the anti-wolf side though. Recently some whackadoodle was charged with threatening the life of a California Senator if they voted for legislation which would delist wolves. I’ve heard of many other threats made by pro-wolfers too. It’s not acceptable from either side.

End of Coles comment.

Rattler Rider

Nobody needs to do anything to the Luciferian Evilutionary New Age Cultists because they are doing it all to themselves. Supporting the Attacks against workmen, and rural peoples, blaming us for the destruction of this planet when it is the banker and fortune 500 corporation controlled governments doing it. The environmentalist movement was created by them. Cole and those nuts think printing debt money out of thin air while destroying all industry and locking down all resources is the solution to feeding the poor and at the same time they support the destruction of wild life resources including wild predators. No bread in the stores and no meat in the hills is eco system balance. Fools playing right into the hands of the huge corporations that would starve us all.

Rattler Rider

We see through the enviro stained glass window.. Frauds !!!

” I am a retired Federal Forest Service employee. I was the one to establish a Grizzly Bear Coordinator position and a Wolf Coordinator position in the Regional Office of the U.S. Forest. (We knew not what we did.) Following this the Feds with the environmentalists passed the Rare and Endangered Species Act. Following that we stopped management activities anywhere near the wolfs and the bears so as not to disturb them. Following that the Forest Service went downhill, closing off more and more land for the rare and endangered, and the forests are now essentially closed and hardly a stick of timber is being cut and sold. Now the economy and thousands of jobs are gone, both federal F.S. jobs and private industry jobs. They can’t return until the infrastructure is returned, that is, the mills and the loggers etc. I believe this to be the objective of the Act and the intended outcome. It used to be the those wanting the forests’ to be closed would do local things like pouring sand in the gear boxes of the heavy logging equipment on evenings and weekends, pound spikes in the trees to break band saws, chain themselves across the roads to stop logging trucks and so on. This was all after the Bitterroot Scandal where there was a citizen uprising against clear cutting in the early years of the 1960′s. The F.S. stopped the practice except for some small acreage locations. I called those trespassers at the time radical environmentalists. They did lots of other damages too, such as shoot out the windmill gear boxes on grazing allotments, drain water from cattle water tanks and troughs, then post no trespassing signs on govt. property in an attempt to keep others off Government property and so forth.”

” You see, there are National Forests that were set aside for “use”, and then National Parks set aside for “recreation”.. They would like to see all the “use” activity stopped. The Rare and Endangered Species Act along with the National Environmental Policy Act and a group of similar Acts were joined in to finish off and “Kill” the Forest Service. The Forest Service is now gone….oh, there is still a clerk in there to answer the phone. The new efforts seem to be to set aside large areas to create more wilderness.”

” The Environmentalists have made ghost towns throughout the Pacific north ” west. We at one time cut 2.2 MM board feet of timber per year and provided KV funds to schools, and to communities in Montana . We operated the F.S. like a business and provided over two billion dollars per year to the General Fund. So I ask you, is that what you want now, no jobs, no thriving economy, bug killed trees and a red forest, and a dead Agency. ”

” But then it’s going on all over the country here and elsewhere. This is the Treasure State . But our treasure is locked up by the environmentalists and can’t be used. All in the name of environmentalism….coal, oil and gas, the use of water, forage, wild life, recreation, mining, and you name it, it ain’t being used…..look at California, the counties of Bakersfield and Fresno, the breadbasket of the U.S. for vegetable crops, and they can’t use water for irrigation any longer. I have seen the country and it’s all brown grass where once there were vegetables as far as the eye could see. So I ask you, Is that what you want? Is that representing us the people. We have to decide.”

” Do we want the Snail Darter little fish and the Kangaroo Rat to rule,….the Polar Bear supposedly disturbed, as by their own studies to show that we are killing the planet. Do you believe their data any longer? I believe there are about 70% of us out here that think the planet is being killed but not by the average citizen. Stop the wolves etc. and stop the Rare and Endangered Species Act. I’ll be 80 soon and I have never seen it so bad. You folks did it to us along with the other legislators. Now we expect that you may want to correct past practices. The original environmentalists were the foresters.”

Thank you for the opportunity to comment.

Ken Guy

KurtJLane

They are all of the same cloth. A group of us testified before maines Legislative panel concerning coyote snaring yesterday.
On the other side testifing against, a fella said, ” I’m a vegatarion, allthough I did eat a moose once, because they are natural too” HUH?
Thay all live in some strange fantasy land.

ar

Endangered Species Act? …and we evolve, too. All at the same time.

That’s what Observational game management is for, to watch for the first missing link. Maybe it’s them over at Walph’s…

Chandie Bartell

That is my friend that lives 15 miles north of ME that had a pack of 4 surround her walking up her snowed in driveway the evening of Nov. 27th.

I don’t see Ken Cole make any mention of the woman from Salmon that called and made a death threat to our group, because she couldn’t handle the “data” and facts about wolves on SR and BBB.

This woman is a citizen from back East who has ties with WWP and Ralph Maughan’s friends.

As a matter of fact when the person she threatened walked into her OFFICE she swore, knocked over papers, and ran to the back-room. The women sitting next to her told, the mother of the “kids” who the woman threatened, “Well that’s her, but she apparently doesn’t want to see you.”

This woman was so paranoid Scott was going to come down and film her, that she felt justified calling to tell the friend of mine in Salmon, she was going to kill her and her kids, and all her IFW friends. Good thing we have a Federal Judge as a member of IFW, that was a blanket threat to an entire sportsmen group.

I haven’t noticed on the internet any of Ralph Maughan’s bloggers like Ken Cole distancing himself from this woman. She is on all sorts of boards.

What she doesn’t realize is we have the Horizon Record accounts, and IP addresses are becoming very traceable.

Chandie Bartell

Our side HAS never threatened anybody. Instead they take comments out of context, and post them on the internet to try and marginalize that person’s credibility, Saul Aslinky style.

Like Scott told me last night, Ken Cole was sneaking behind him in the Capitol Building, and he turned around and confronted him. They don’t like the dueling cameras!

Rattler Rider

What is hilarious is their cars, homes, and any property licensed with the state is public record and one can merely go to the recording offices of any county and gather the data. I used to work for a P.I. in the winter months doing just that. Ken Cole is a child.

Rattler Rider

I also see that they are moaning about the governmental shut down coming forth, which quite possibly could include shutting down federal lands access. And of course it’s the tea party’s fault, you’d think these bright people would someday realize all parties are controlled by the same group of elitists and the tea party is just another co opted party leading this nation to global governance, via the destruction of the communism destroying this nation into the coming fascist system that will be more war like and more of a police state martial law scenario. Just as the Vatican desires. I tried to tell those loonies the forests would be shut down eventually. Those assets have been sold.

Rattler Rider

Somebody should tell that poor senile Ralph Maughan public lands ownership is and illusion;

United Nations controls American forests and landmarks, including the ESA
By g888

United Nations Control Over American Historical Landmarks

1972 United Nations Treaty Allows Foreign Control of American Assets

National Policy Analysis Paper #341 published in July 2001 by The National Center for Public Policy Research, 777 North Capitol Street NE #803, Washington, D.C. 20002, 202/371-1400, Fax 202/408- 7773, E-Mail info@nationalcenter.org, Web http://www.nationalcenter.org. Reprints permitted provided source is credited.

When our Founding Fathers sparked the American Revolution and signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776, they sought self-government for the American colonies and an escape from the dominance of England.

The Founding Fathers would be shocked to learn that some of their successors have given control of key American sovereign territory to other nations.

Through an international treaty, the United States is allowing the United Nations and its member countries access to and control of American soil – in particular, our historic buildings and treasured wilderness.

In 1972, our government signed the United Nations’ World Heritage Treaty, a treaty that creates “World Heritage Sites” and Biosphere Reserves.” Selected for their cultural, historical or natural significance, national governments are obligated to protect these landmarks under U.N. mandate.1 Since 1972, 68 percent of all U.S. national parks, monuments and preserves have been designated as World Heritage Sites.2

Twenty important symbols of national pride, along with 51 million acres of our wilderness, are World Heritage Sites or Biosphere Reserves now falling under the control of the U.N. This includes the Statue of Liberty,( occultists would protect masonic lady Illumination) Thomas Jefferson’s home at Monticello, the Washington Monument, (occultists would protect that phallic) the Brooklyn Bridge, Yellowstone National Park, Yosemite, the Florida Everglades and the Grand Canyon – to name just a few.

Most ironic of all is the listing of Philadelphia’s Independence Hall. The birthplace of our Republic is now an official World Heritage Site. The very place where our Founding Fathers signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution – the documents that set America apart from other nations and created the world’s longest-standing democracy – is no longer fully under the control of our government and the American people. Protection of our treasured places is a sound undertaking, but doing so by ceding control of our sovereign territory to a foreign power is wrong and threatens our rights and freedoms.

In 1995, Crown Butte Mines in the New World Mining District in Montana was forced to abandon a mine development project after the U.N. listed Yellowstone National Park as a “World Heritage Site in Danger.”3 Crown Butte proposed to mine a medium-size underground operation on private property three miles from the boundary of Yellowstone. The project would have employed 280 people and generated $230 million in revenue.4

This mining project was not unique. The area had been mined for 150 years before Yellowstone National Park was established. Crown Butte had worked along with the U.S. Forest Service to ensure that all of the necessary precautions were being taken to ensure that the project would be environmentally responsible. Crown Butte had won an award for excellence in 1992 and was considered to be a “showcase operation.”5

None of these factors mattered to the U.N.’s World Heritage Committee. Citing the project as a potential threat, the U.N. exerted its authority to force the abandonment of the project. It did not matter to the U.N. that this violated Crown Butte’s exercise of its private property rights under the U.S. Constitution. Nor did the U.N. care that its action also went against U.S. federal law prohibiting the inclusion of non-federal property within a U.S. World Heritage Site without the consent of the property owner.6

Although it has not happened yet, under the World Heritage Treaty the U.N. has the legal right to someday restrict us, as American citizens, from visiting our national treasures.

Many environmentalists believe that the mere presence of humans disturbs the environment. As such, it is not farfetched to wonder when the politically-correct U.N. will ban the American public from Yellowstone, the Grand Canyon, Yosemite, the Florida Everglades and other precious natural wonders now visited annually by millions of tourists.

Ironically, banning generations of young people from visiting our natural wonders would undermine the public’s appreciation for the spectacular gifts of nature, and undercut support for environmental protection.

Unfortunately, the World Heritage Treaty is just one of a series of government actions that is stripping away the gift of freedom we received from our Founding Fathers.

To stop this erosion of sovereign rights, federal legislation has been introduced to restore the rights of Americans against this threat to freedom. The American Land Sovereignty Protection Act seeks to preserve the sovereignty of the United States over public lands and preserve the private property rights of private citizens. It would require congressional oversight of U.N. land designations within the U.S.7

We should not turn our backs on the Founding Fathers by surrendering the precious gift of sovereignty. We should treasure and protect it.

Chandie Bartell

Our side HAS never threatened anybody. Instead they take comments out of context, and post them on the internet to try and marginalize that person’s credibility, Saul Aslinky style.

That’s kind of confusing..I meant OUR side has never threatened anybody via e-mail, phone call, or on the internet.

THE other side had done all the above, but their specialized “mechanism” is to implement copy & paste, and then take select passages out of context and post them on the internet to marginalize that person’s credibility and reputation.

I’m lucky I got involved in politics two years ago, and many of my senators know me, and they ALSO are VERY aware of the Saul Alinsky tactics of Ralph Maughan & Co.

Greg, Great overview on the UN World Heritage Treaty. I also liked your letter to the House Resource Environment Committee, and it was submitted the night before the Senate Hearings. I want to post it on my facebook wall for sportsmen to read the breakdown of the Sawtooth Units, as you have observed them over the years.

Tim said to tell you hi.

Chandie Bartell

Suzanne Stone also LIED and said Karen was in her pickup in an interview, regarding Karen’s close-encounter with wolves in her driveway. This was said by Suzanne Stone either out front of the capitol steps or inside during her testimony.

However, Karen told me she specifically heard her “say” Karen was in her pickup…to downplay Karen’s experience and “risk” of being in danger.

Karen has been consistent with her testimony since the night it happened. It’s been printed in the papers, blogs, she was video taped by Scott Rockholm at her home, and again she got up in the Senate to testify again.

TLM

The first video has been removed “by the user”.

Rattler Rider

Uh-oh, maybe we’ll replace it with the Ken Cole stuttering speech in the Legislature shortly.

AB

Greg

The information you copied from other sites regarding the Crown Butte project outside Yellowstone National Park deserves a bit of scrutiny. You or your source suggests that this area was mined for 150 years prior to becoming a park. Yellowstone became a park on March 1, 1872; 150 years prior to that was 1722 – the United States did not exist at that time. I would like to ask you by whom was it mined? Native Americans? Underground?

Rattler Rider

It would have been the Spaniards coming up from Mexico, horses and mules. They were all over this country. Old mines and old banks from those miners workings can still be found to this day, if one knows how to follow their old maps and trail marking techniques, which I won’t disclose on line, trade secret. I’m working on two old banks. What I mean by banks is the high grade ore once mined was removed to another location and buried, until it could be transported via mule trains to the Gulf Coast, loaded aboard ships, and transported to Spain. I have several tons of the stuff, they left behind, failed to come back for. The Native Americans did not care about those yellow stones, and they did not care for the Spaniards who were brutal dominating slave master mentality types.

AB

Gnat dew.

Rattler Rider

Oh yes, you’re still stuck in that Lewis and Clark myth, as being the “first” Explorers sent out to explore these lands for Mr. Jefferson. The belief is that during the preceding centuries prior to this new government being established those other Europeans never road a horse out west. Spain explored the hell out of this country before those clowns working Mr Jefferson wandered in. Believe what what you will woman. We have not forgotten that word Dominion, just because you choose to run from it.

Rattler Rider

“By the mid-sixteen hundreds, the Spanish rancheros near Santa Fe and Taos had thousands of horses. The Spanish government issued decrees forbidding Indians to own horses. As slaves, or as workers, on the Spanish rancheros, Indians learned to handle horses. By the mid-sixteen hundreds Apache and Navajo were starting to acquire horses stolen by escaped workers from the Spanish rancheros–it is interesting to note many Indians were terrified at their first sight of a horse.”

Expeditions to the Northern areas of this continent would have been nothing for men of that time, I’ve put 2000-3000 miles in the saddle over 5-6 months when I was younger.

Rattler Rider

So much for that Wilderness Fantasy.

Rattler Rider

Oh and then Teacher, have you forgotten Cortez?;

Hernán Cortés de Monroy y Pizarro, 1st Marquis of the Valley of Oaxaca (Spanish pronunciation: [er?na? kor?tes]; 1485 – December 2, 1547) was a Spanish conquistador who led an expedition that caused the fall of the Aztec Empire and brought large portions of mainland Mexico under the rule of the King of Castile in the early 16th century.

and brought large portions of mainland Mexico under the rule of the King of Castile in the early 16th century.

Shucks, according to you those industrious Spaniards did not ride this far north on those powerful steeds they owned.

They were here Lee.

Chandie Bartell

The Vikings discovered America even before the Spaniards. I remember my great Aunt telling me the Vikings our ancestors discovered North America before Columbus, and that is why the Swedes, Danes, and Norwegians made sure there was a Viking Ship, at the first Chicago World’s Fair, in the history exhibit.

Chandie Bartell

I just read something real funny. Ken Cole was accusing Scott Rockholm of intimidating him with the “stink-eye.” Karen read that and mentioned, if Ken Cole was so intimidated by the “stink-eye” from Rockholm, how did he think she felt being surrounded by a pack of 4 wolves in her driveway, at dusk in a snow blizzard walking up her driveway.

These people really get intimidated when they can’t behind the mask of their computer screen or be protected by the big stick of their Environmental Lawyer Friends.

Now they want to call Marshall Law on us!

Rattler Rider

Ken should have just waved his hands about and shouted away Rockholme, away Rockholme, and perhaps thrown a marshmallow stick at Scott, to help chase off that dangerous uneducated redneck. In all fairness, maybe Ken was sporting a foul odor and Scott found him repulsive. I’d have sprayed Ken with some stink off if it was me.

Rattler Rider

No Chandie, Lee is always right, Roman Catholic and Papal Servant Christopher Columbus discovered America, and of course Illuminati agents Lewis And Clark working for Mr. Jefferson, were the first “civilized” men to explore the Rockies and beyond. (snicker)

TLM

Message just came: Just heard on the radio that Gov Otter signed the Wolf Bill.

AB

Well, that doesn’t come as any surprise other than that it took him so long.

TLM

Judge Molloy says No Deal (no surprise there)

http://wolves.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/order-denying-indicreliefmotion.pdf

AB

Greg
It is well known that other people preceded Christopher Columbus; Spaniards, Italians, Portugese, and NW Europeans were not the original discoverers of the Americas. Even before the vikings there were people from the western Pacific region(s) arriving via a shallow crossing or land bridge in Alaska or by seafaring people farther west and/or south in the Pacific Ocean; thus, the native inhabitants arrived and later were found and often killed by all those later arrivals.

I assume that you are aware of the Easter Island situation where the colonizing seafaring people used up all the island resources of trees for ship building and were thus doomed on their depleted island.

Three interesting readings which you may have already done: Salt, Cod, & Kon Tiki.

ar

Scottie Rockholme, puddin’ n pie.
Gave Ken Cole the ole snake-eye.

tra la lalalalaalalalalala la la.

Dear Scott, whatever you do, never ever give ‘em the Other Eye!!!

Barry

So, let me see if I have this correct…….

Greg posts a very valid and accurate account of history.

Barb, says it’s BS

Greg replies with an accurate account of the facts

Barb then says……”Gnat Dew”, …….really?

Then when she realizes she can’t back up her idiocy, she wants to change the subject to Easter Island. Wow, some things never change……….

What I don’t get, is if she knew these people were here at the time she questioned, why push the issue? It can only be one of two things, senility or belligerence.

Barry

Oh….you have to love this garbage. I took a stroll over on the loony side and found the perfect example of the emotionally driven ignorance that is spewed forth by the self proclaimed ‘enlightened ones’. Now this comes from one of the most vile and hateful posters over at Walph’s, but really???? It is interesting that when things do not go their way, the real ignorance of these people exposes itself. A few days ago they were wanting martial law imposed and calls for federal marshals to start arresting people. And they still have the gall to call us extremists and uneducated…..golden, simply golden.

Salle Says:
April 10, 2011 at 10:01 AM

They will cry this song until they have carte blanche to kill, by every means possible, every wolf they see… this includes use of poisons and trapping with intolerable lapses of time between trapline checks so that ultimate suffering, for the wolves, is adequately administered as well because they hate these animals so much that simply killing them isn’t enough, they have to suffer too.

Rattler Rider

That person is insane.

ar

That person is insane.

Rattler Rider

They cheer when a couple of wolves runs a cow elk down gutting the cow, ripping out the fetus, and gorging themselves on guts and blood while the cow elk is struggling and squealing. They cheer, we’ve seen them do it. The wolves eat some of the hinds and off they go to the next kill.

ar

I can’t help but wonder what possesses them to act this way and no remorse but speak the same lie over and over again, to say nothing about a lame judge doing the same insane thing.

Rattler Rider

Their fanatics.

Barry

ar

I think it is well known that the weak among us both advocate and worship cruelty in some attempt to subconsciously make themselves feel better about themselves or to vent their true inner hatred in a manner they feel they can defend.

The wolf may kill the way a wolf kills, but no sane human would cheer on that bloodbath. To eat an animal while still alive may be ‘natural’ for a wolf, but for a human to enjoy that scene speaks of some serious mental issues.

Sane humans by nature seek humane ways of killing. It is a trait that is only ours and is rooted out of the differences that separate us from the animals these people also want to deny. We are predators, no denying that, and death is a part of our world, but to cheer on and enjoy the misery of a wolf kill is something only the hateful could enjoy.

These same people will condemn humans hunting, even though we have brought methods to ‘death in nature’ that are the most humane in all of nature. Most hunters do not enjoy the ‘kill’, even though we recognize it as a natural part of the cycle of life, we still seek out the quickest, most humane ways to bring it about. These people whom worship the wolf will try and say that our method is weak and sick and that we shouldn’t be a part of that cycle. They would much prefer a tortured death to wildlife, it truly makes me wonder of their mental state.

Rattler Rider

They would gladly see us marched up to some final destination and killed, buried, and gone from THEIR Earth. Because they are better than us and we refuse to join THEIR Church, and several of those posting over at the Hate blog prove it.

Barry

Geezus….this lunatic is really on a roll. Now the nutter wants a revolution! Isn’t is amazing the way they react when their own tactics are used against them. For decades the marxist pricks have used riders to shove their agenda on the American people. Ah, I just have to smile at the ignorance. She still believes in the left/right paradigm and that her precious Dems are any different that the hideous Reps. I wonder what she’ll do for a living as this agenda get exposed and further cuts are made to her gravy train…….

One little bit of advice there Salle, you might want to reconsider your position on the 2A before you decide to go start a violent revolt against other Americans.

I think this one may be headed for a headline though, if you know what I mean. So much anger and hate bottled up in that one.

Salle Says:
April 9, 2011 at 1:54 PM

I guess the activists will have to intensify their efforts… perhaps shutting down public land grazing by the owners of the public lands or boycotting everything possible… as in stop feeding the beast. Personally, I am trying to figure out what I can do to thwart this dangerous precedent. What a bunch of absolutely insidious idiots.

I think the curtain has been pulled all the way back now so that everyone can see the KochBros operating the controls of our governing bodies at all levels now.

This is why free-market capitalism was never a good idea.

I’m so pissed… I voted for Tester and now feel that he courted my vote only to stab me in the back with this atrocious disregard for the health of the environment of this state. I hope these fools suffer the worst of the environmental downfall first… when there are no more grazing for their goddamned cattle, among other things. At best they should all contract some horrific terminal disease that is brought on by the pollution they have promoted and promised to their constituents… at the behest of their corporate funders of course. the traitors.

Isn’t this somehow defined as treasonous?

I just finished a letter to Tester, what a clod. In fact, I accused him of being a republican masquerading as a democrat. It’s time for civil disobedience on a very large scale… it’s our duty to restore the nation to a more fair-minded country, including in the halls of government.

Rattler Rider

Salle Salvia mouthing off again ? Heh heh heh..

Let me see here, free grazing is ancient, grass still grows.

We know what millions and millions of Buffalo did when they ran around this country, musta looked like a plow went by..

She’s crazy in the head.

Does she sound democratic ?

Rattler Rider

Well I find it kinda silly that they mock me for being a conspiratorial researcher, yet they speak of conspiracy themselves. The ranchers and the legislatures are conspiring to wipe out the wolves, what ever ! And they claim the Koch Brothers are controlling the Tea Party, which in part is true, but they ignore, or completely miss the fact that the Koch brothers are Knights of Malta, members of the SMOM, Sovereign Military Order of Malta, So the Koch brothers answer to somebody above themselves of higher military rank. And on the other hand our Liberal friends never mention George Soros, another Knight of Malta, answering to someone of higher rank also. Talk about the Knights of Malta playing both sides of the political arena, keeping the fools fighting amongst themselves while they confiscate Freedom, and I find it fascinating the hatred of free market capitalism, especially Salle mistaking Free Market Capitalism for Collectivist Capitalism, which is what the Kochs are in reality, and So is Soros, they wish to destroy Free Market Capitalism because then they the Collectivists own everything out right, and even bartering with ones neighbors is illegal, once free market capitalism is removed from a society. So unfortunately most folks fail to recognize the military orders involved in todays chaos, not to mention their involvement historically, and who they answer to, because like all military orders they have a General . So Salle is not as sharp as she thinks she is.

ar

Quite dull, in reality. And misguided to detriment, mostly others’. Very mixed up and imaginative. Not being able to tell truth from fiction.

Condemnation before investigation is the surest way to stay in the dark with this thing – and the goobermint. Come on folks, go do the reading and open your eyes to what they are forcing on you and I.

Barry

Free Market Capitalism??

That has been dead for well over 100 years in this country. Only a complete buffoon could still consider something so heavily controlled, so heavily regulated and so rife with oppressive mandates as free.

Once again they fail to see the two headed dragon is attached to the same body. While they try to feed one, they attempt to poison the other.

Rattler Rider

Barry,

True, now we can’t even make a living with controlled free market capitalism, maybe we should call it capitulate marked ism.. Lol.

But, I remember the days of doing business and I controlled the prices of my product, labor, overhead and profit. And when they killed that a few years ago, I said adios.

AB

Barry

0. So, let me see if I have this correct…….

1. Greg posts a very valid and accurate account of history.

2. Barb, says it’s BS

3. Greg replies with an accurate account of the facts

4. Barb then says……”Gnat Dew”, …….really?

5. Then when she realizes she can’t back up her idiocy, she wants to change the subject to Easter Island. Wow, some things never change……….

6. What I don’t get, is if she knew these people were here at the time she questioned, why push the issue? It can only be one of two things, senility or belligerence.

Response

1. How do you know it is either valid or accurate? It is partly factual and expresses the opinion of Melissa Wiedbrauk.

2. I only questioned that the area was mined before 1722. Asking a simple question is saying BS?

3. Greg makes up stories to show that the Spaniards were riding all over the west and extracting gold, storing, and transporting it out of the area (northern Rockies?) for years prior to 1772. No verification other than that they did that farther south. He belittles Clark and Lewis. I don’t consider this to be an “accurate account of the facts” as you stated. The most northerly, overland incursion by the Spanish into the current western US prior to 1722 was into Kansas by Coronado in the 1540s. Where is your evidence to the contrary?

4. That’s why I called it gnat dew. I could have used stronger language such as bat crap or bull shit.

5. I have more to back up my idiocy than does Greg. The lesson of Easter Island is that you can not keep taking from the land that supports you until the resources are used up – Earth is like that. Another example of thoughtless slaughter was within 27 years of European discovery the sea cow was hunted to extinction. So who cares? I doubt that you do. Thoughtless slaughter for monetary gain. So how has it hurt mankind? We will never know.. extinction is forever!

6. I have no idea what you are getting at. Which people were here? What time? Push what issue? How do you know that it can only be the result of your two alternatives; are there not more alternatives? Like perhaps truth.

http://www.hcn.org/issues/108/3401 1997

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/article_b2b8728c-78cd-11df-8e87-001cc4c03286.html#user-comment-area 2010 update

The above are regarding the mining dispute NE of Yellowstone; check into the cleanup costs for these sites.

Barry

Barb

Lets start at the end and move back shall we. If you want to use Easter Island as an example of over used resources, which in something I actually won’t dispute simply because it is a finite product. But I up you Coronation Island as an example of your failed biology and wildlife science. Funny thing is, no one wants to admit to that. But I digress……

The theory that someday we will eventually run out so therefore we must just stop using our natural resources NOW, is absurd. Especially renewable ones such as timber and hydro. The green theory that all actions within the forest is destructive is also absurd. Man changes the planet, that doesn’t always mean for the worse, although you would find few of your ilk that would admit to that.

As far as mining goes, it too can be done in a much less intrusive manner in today’s advanced society. Our minerals and gems are a valuable resource to our society and it is not a crime against either man or nature to use them.

Which is yet another huge pile of hypocrisy from the ‘eco’ groups. Their Kendle, Computer, Printers, Auto’s, Televisions, Ipods, Jewelery, and most other of their modern conveniences have both a huge carbon footprint, and exploit natural resources also. Yet in the shallow thought process they will rail against any resource development while using these disposable and unnecessary conveniences of today’s throw away society and never give it a second thought, not even a passing hmmmmm?

You and I have been down this mining path before. You see it in the negative and ignore the positives. Were it not for the mining district in the Silver Valley during the 30′s and 40′s this nation would not have been able to put forth the resources we did to contribute to the last fight of our life and liberty. You see a leaded river, that is today pretty much recovered even though mining still takes place there. I see what was a necessary action to stop one of the most heinous humans of the last century. To hold the past up to today’s technology is also absurd, we learn and move on, but that doesn’t mean full stop.

I have witnessed first hand the corruption and waste of the ‘superfund’ gov’t job works program intent on destroying an industry. The ignorance that the land here was somehow mineral free and it was all a result of mining……stupidity in action! Which is easily exposed by the results on one simple test they did here, someone in their wisdom pulled a soil sample out from under the Cataldo Mission, which I am sure you know, is the oldest standing building in the state, erected before any mining of any significance took place. That sample actually contained higher levels of lead that did the so called ‘contaminated’ soil they were removing. Considering that Noah and his ass discovered one of the worlds largest lead deposits in the world right on the surface, common sense would dictate that much of that surface mineral and metal level is a naturally occurring deposit here. But that doesn’t fit the agenda now does it?

You are whining about a measly 22 million in clean up costs for a mine that would have provided millions more in needed resources? Yet you have no issue with 6.8 Billion dollars being dumped into a worthless wolf introduction program. I just have to wonder about that kind of thought process…….

As far as whether the Spaniards made it this far North, I have witnessed markers in Central and North Central Idaho that mirror those found throughout the South West. They were pointed out to me by some old timers that are now mining the gold rivers in the sky. One thing about history such as this, you can not disprove that they were here, nor can I, I just know what was seen and the explanation that my research into it at the time made completely plausible. If they never left them, I would surely love to know who did.

As far as Lewis and Clark, they were a couple of very lucky hacks imo. I have to give them credit though they did manage to make it through without much loss of personnel, but that was not by their doing, but the help they got. Had it not been for that rescue, the entire bunch would have starved. It is funny how history writes these sort of things, like they were some kind of wilderness gods, which they were not.

You see Barb, that is the wonderful and curious thing about history this old, it all can both be proven and debunked because none of us know for absolute certainty. But there is historical evidence to show that Indians such as the Nez Perce, Backfeet and Flathead were horse back by the 1730′s, another Spanish introduction and evidence that they very likely were here. So I wouldn’t claim what he stated as ‘made up’, but very plausible.

But Gnat Dew? Nah…..I don’t think so. But your theory on extinction is. You know Barb it gets pretty tiring hearing the continual drivel from the nutty AR’s about extinction and the fact they love to lay it solely on the evils of man. Extinction IS a natural part of nature, it ALWAYS has been. Species come and go, they relocate and change habits nature is always in forward motion. Only you fools seem to think you can somehow stop that process, that somehow man has the ability to stop a natural process that has been going on since the lights went on around here. But then again, that also explain the idiocy surrounding GW doesn’t it.

Man can do both good and bad, we are anything but a perfect species. But this modern hatred for our own species is disconcerting, and really nothing more than people being trained to be servants. But that is another discussion. I do believe in being a good steward, trust me, I really do. I believe in being a responsible steward of the planet honest I do. I just do not but into the Gaia worship so many have been sold.

http://fotnyeh.org Bob Fanning

Scott, I heard you gave Ken Cole the “snake eye”. Must have been quite a change of pace for Ole King Cole who is used to looking at Marvels brown eye for a living.

Rattler Rider

I wonder if Old King Cole can bend over and touch his toes, while he is kissing Jons arse.

” The Spanish were actively mining in Idaho and Montana. It was the Spanish who introduced the Crow Indians to horses around 1725.”

” When Lewis and Clark led their expedition to Oregon in 1804-1805, they had recorded finding abandoned Spanish mining operations in the area.”

” Around the 1860′s, more of these abandoned operations were found in the south Boise area. ”

http://www.visitidaho.org/press/about/idaho_culture.htm

” Spanish explorers made trips west beginning in 1592. Spaniards introduced pigs, horses, domestic fowl, tomatoes, beans, corn, and garlic to the American Indians of the Northwest.”

” Lewis and Clark were the first Euro-Americans to set foot on what is now known as Idaho. They encountered Spanish-speaking American Indians as well as those who spoke their tribal language. The expedition was followed by French-Canadian fur trappers resulting in the names of communities like Coeur d’Alene (French for “heart of the awl”) and Boise (Le Bois-French for “the trees”).”

As usual, I could keep posting writings that do not concur with the beliefs Lee wishes to defend. The Spanish explorers and miners had very interesting trail marking techniques, and a very old friend from Spain, who came here and started out as a sheep herder, taught myself and another friend how to spot those markings, and follow them. We’ve found old banks, mines, and camps.

This history is Spanish History, he was taught by his father and grand father, so by saying I make this up, she is basically calling the Spanish people who believe in this history liars. I suppose a sheep herder just could never be believed. And everyone is a liar except the know it all’s like Lee.

Granted there are arguments by the State historical Society claiming the Spanish being in this country as early as 1592 are myths. To that I say, whatever.

I also find it interesting that the majority of the Native American Indian art and symbols, like the Medicine Wheel, and ritualistic activities, and Sun Worship, are very European Babylonian like, and I think these peoples roots can be traced back to Shem. Of course once again, Lee will say poppy cock, because the Bible is just myths according to her to.

Again whatever.

One of my projects this early summer is to continue working out and old trail. Might as well hunt mythological Spanish mines, Wild elk are not hardly worth the trouble anymore, since their so few and far between. Our Environmentalist Conquerors have seen to that.

Barry

RR

You bring up a great point that the educational indoctrination crowd like Barb love to ignore. I learned much of my local, state and country history from those who both lived it and/or learned it from those whom lived it. Much of what is written on our modern history books is complete bat guano.

They expect us to believe their modified history and ignore the accounts of those who see it first hand, those who lived it and had it affect their lives. Believe them, believe what was written down for you, ignore the little details that expose it for the fraud it is,

I have had the great privilege to have known and been close to some extremely intelligent and aware people in my life, most are gone now, I miss their wisdom and insight, for they taught me more than I ever learned in the indoctrination camps of the modern universal government education camps.

But perhaps the greatest gift they gave me was the encouragement to think for myself, to not be intimidated and to not be bullied by those who just wanted me to shut up. But above all they taught me to defend the truth, always.

I must admit I have had a handful of exceptional teachers and profs in my life, but they were far outnumber by the gov’t trolls that in the end had to bear my being in their class.

Education today is crap, intentionally driven into the ditch by the government loving ‘tenured’ half ass slacker. I have a small collection of old text books, it is something I have started acquiring over the last few years. One thing that jumps out at me is both the content and the methods that were being taught and used. What they introduced a 7th grade student to in 1935 and the method they used to teach it, absolutely shame what you would find in a modern high school or entry level college book. But one thing you need in the modern agenda are useful idiots.

I love listening to the fools whom are screaming about the current destruction of education, about how cutting money is going to ruin it. I have a sad little reality for those idiots, that car was already totaled, throwing money at a broken system has not nor will it fix it.

Our system could be so easily fixed, and at a lower cost. Yet none of these idiots want any part of that. Any time you talk about any real change, they scream like a bunch of union thugs from Wisconsin. I wish they would take the time to actually look at those countries that are kicking our ass, one thing none of them have are a nationalized department of education on the level we do. Just more proof that if you really what something screwed up, let the government take it over.

It really angers me, I hate seeing stupid people being turned out, educated idiots, victims actually. Victims of the same fools convincing them that they are looking out for them.

If these people really wanted to fix education, I would support them completely. But it starts with eliminating the DOE, removing that dysfunctional and unconstitutional department from existence. One that has, since it’s creation, seen education standards in this country continually decline. Why would anyone want to keep something with such a failed track record? This is one area where going backwards would definitely be progress.

I will get off my soap box now………..

Rattler Rider

Here is the foundation for the last 80 years of u.s. corporate education. Helena P. Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Alistair Crowley, The Rockefellers, Dewey, Communism. They said they were going to change this society through education, in order to turn it in the direction they wished it to go. Just glancing at the data it is hard to believe, actually doing indepth research into the area of societal mind control through education not only can it be done, it has been done. I say to them, you can have your lies. As far as I am concerned from birth to death, we are in a class room being taught, being schooled, many among us stopped learning and are stuck in an illusion. I’m watching the illusion go past, like standing on the edge of a road watching an old beater car limp past, it’s not going to get very far.

Mystery Schools – The Externalization of the Hierarchy pt.2of2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDBxgmyq7s

The Externalisation of the Hierarchy
http://www.bailey.it/testi-inglese/The-Externalization-of-the-Hierarchy.pdf

Rattler Rider

They dumbed this nation down, and they drugged this nation down. I mean hell man, you need a pharmaceutical dictionary just to understand the ingredient label on food packages for crying out loud. And the water, fluoridated water, refined sugars. Hell man, my folks for bid me from having soda pop and candy bars, my grandfather said it had poison in it. What do you see those bright “teachers” allowing into the schools, soda pop and candy bar machines. Chemically altered minds being taught shit.

ar

Trouble is, you can’t tell the too-stupid they’re too stupid. Like me. I was sure, Greg, you were from hell itself; until I did the leg-work (reading). This is going on just three short years, now, and what you have pointed out is in fact true and to the core of the bane upon society, especially this dumb-founded place run by JESUITS.

TS to care. TS to do anything about it, without help. I have noted the strange-people’s blog and comments continually filled with derogatory remarks. Yet, upon pointing out facts, which they in turn accuse you of name-calling, there is always no useful information coming from the strange people’s blog. Yet again, each time they are presented with truth, they dunno what it is all over again. Either they can not read or they cannot comprehend what they read or they have committed the largest crime upon themselves – assuming they already have the truth – and to hell with you.

Barry

Maybe we are physic or just ahead of the curve. But considering the discussion on this page I heard an interesting tidbit on the news. It seems there are now school districts that forbid kids from bring home packed lunches. You will now eat their food……..period!

I had a conversation just yesterday about modern agriculture with one of the gents I work with. He was pissed off about the modern ag methods that he claimed “depleted the soils”. This is another area I just don’t buy the party line and the faux scientists that are peddling this snake oil. Having grown up in ag, and the fact that I still grow much of my own food I asked him what his experience was in this area. Turns out, about as close to zero as one can get, yet he has heard the “man is evil. ag is evil, we are destroying the earth” BS line.

So I explained a little reality to him, depleted soil will grow nothing in any abundance, soil lacking the needed nutrients starves the plant. Yet we are producing metric tons more crop on less land than ever before. The two just don’t jive when you apply a little reality and common sense to it.

I then explained the GM seed, the hybridized seed. Modern seed grows bigger and faster than ever before. It grows so fast the plant can’t adsorb the nutrients and therefore is mostly water and fiber. The carrots are longer, larger and more orange, yet contain hardly anything of any health benefit for the human body. We feed millions more people but what are we really feeding them? A science project in essence and little more.

Me, I only grow heirloom and open pollinating seeds from the old days. My carrots are shorter, kind of skinny and not nearly as orange as what you see in the store. But then again, they don’t taste like water either. And it is the same for most every crop out there. I guess the truth wouldn’t support the ‘humans are evil and depleting the planet’ garbage put out by the gubment and their ‘scientists’, so we just ignore the reality so the greenies have something else to work themselves up into a froth about. They whine to high heaven about big corps, yet supported the very government that brought them about through oppressive legislation that eliminated the small guy.

It really is amazing how short sighted and incapable of thinking most people are these days. They really need to get out of the concrete jungle and get a little closer to nature and the earth.

Rattler Rider

Nah, It’s research, it’s understanding the language those people use. Their not even hiding who they are and what they are doing, not being in a chemically self induced and including vaccinated altered state of mind helps.

AB

Greg & Barry

“Signs of early placer mining and rock remains of old arastras (a Mexican variety of mill used for crushing quartz ore) still are to be found near Rocky Bar at the forks of Big and Little Elk Creeks. This site now is known as Spanishtown. The name derives from activity of Spaniards or Mexicans who are known to have mined there shortly after discovery of the South Boise mines early in the spring of 1863. Arastras, constructed primarily from wood and rock available locally in the mining region, were used in large numbers in the Rocky Bar area in 1864 by all kinds of miners—not just by Spaniards and Mexicans. In the case of the Spanishtown arastras and mining, however, newspaper references to Spanish-speaking miners in that locality are to be found as early as 1866.”
http://history.idaho.gov/Reference%20Series/0019.pdf

Rattler Rider

Yep, I’ve read the Idaho Hysterical Society’s claims and pointed out earlier their opinion.

“Granted there are arguments by the State historical Society claiming the Spanish being in this country as early as 1592 are myths. To that I say, whatever. “

AB

Greg

That is because you care to ignore reality. It doesn’t fit your perceptions.

AB

Greg and Barry

“On July 29,1776, two Franciscan priests and eight civilians set out from Santa Fe to find and establish a route to the Spanish missions in California. The adventurers journeyed through much of Utah and western Colorado, traveling as far as the Salt Lake Valley before illness and hunger forced them to abandon their search. The route to California remained a mystery, and the explorers returned to Santa Fe early in 1777. Their journals are of interest to land use-historians of the Colorado Plateau”.
http://www.cpluhna.nau.edu/People/spanish_exploration.htm

Note that this is in 1776, 50 years after you claim that Spaniards were mining 3 miles NE of Yellowstone National Park.

Rattler Rider

There are many historical writings of historical accounts that do not fit the perceptions of the politically correct accounts taught in this country, many of those are written in Latin, many are in books, and I’m going with my Spanish friends accounts he was taught in Spain before moving here in the 1940s. I’ve been to mines and old towns, camps, not on any of our maps, nor registered in our government mining claims agencies. There is even uncharted trails systems in this state if one knows how to locate and use them. There happens to be evidence to the contrary of the dull history you believe in, and far richer history of these lands did take place. Now I don’t care what you believe, nor think, I know what I’ve seen, found, and been taught. Your only interest in myself is your continued attempts to discredit me, and others that do not believe in your world views. All you have proven is your disrespect for my experiences and life of freedom in Idaho and Wyoming. So be it. I’ve no more time for you.

Barry

And again…..I guess those horses fell out of the sky. Or does that little facts not fit your perception of reality?

It is a well known fact the Spaniards brought that non native species here and were responsible for the indians becoming horse back.

Or Maybe the Nez Perce walked south to get them from California……..

AB

Yes Barry, Martians dropped horses out of the sky by parachutes to furnish the northern American plains Natives with horses. The aliens found and picked up these horses in what is now New Mexido and Arizona and transported them north to the interior great plains.

Nearly everyone knows that the Spaniards brought horses to Mexico in their conquest to obtain riches from the “new world” and convert natives to Christianity. Horses were traded by other Indians northward after Spaniards had brought them to Mexico during their death dealing encounters with natives via direct onslaugh and even more devastating, by European diseases.

That does not mean that the Spaniards were directly repsonsible for providing northern Natives with horses. They were traded tribe to tribe and horses arrived in the northern area of the US in the early 1700s by trading with more southerly tribes according to records that I have read.

Rattler Rider

Now wait a minute, how do you know the horses did not evolve here 55 million years ago, and instead of being wiped out around 12,000 to 14,000 years ago some survived, and crossed the Bering Strait to Siberia and some were captured by men coming across the Bering Strait and Wa LA, the horse beat the Spaniards here along with those Barbarians from Siberia. And for your information the Spaniards version of “Christianity” was and still is the fake anti Christos Cult religion they were spreading. This “New World” and all of it’s chaos sure has brought forth “Order”. One bullshit myth is as good as another.

Barry

lol….You do have a point RR

Rattler Rider

You’d think that folks would take into consideration the hateful rivalry between the English and the Spanish as well back in those Centuries. The English would never give the Spanish credit for a “discovery” if they did not have to. Since the English did not purchase the North West, they took it. Why also did the Spanish hide the mines in these parts? Hell look at human rivalry’s today, we say wolves have done harm to elk herd stability, and it’s true, but our rivals the over pro wolf protectorate say we are liars. And what does Lee do, constantly attempts to make me out the liar. Hell, this government they believe in is a Crown owned corporation, and it is easy to prove that, but no one looks for the truth, they just assume they have the truth. Trying to get through to peon slaves fighting to keep those invisible chains on themselves is tiresome. Stay enslaved !

There are two USAs, or rather a USA and a usA. The united states of America with a lower case -u- and -s- are the lands of the various states. These lands, are still owned by THE CROWN as the head of the old Virginia Company. Then there is the United States of America, capital -U- and -S-, which is the 68 square miles of land west of the Potomac River on which is built the federal capital, Washington DC and the District of Columbia. It also includes the US protectorates of Guam and Puerto Rico. The United States of America is not a country… “United States” means — (A) a federal corporation 28 USC $ 3002(15), Ch.176. It is clear that the United States, is a corporation, 534 FEDERAL SUPPLEMENT 724.

It is well settled that “United States” et. al. is a corporation, originally incorporated February 21, 1871 under the name “District of Columbia,” 16 Stat. 419 Chap. 62 (reorganized June 11, 1878); a bankrupt organization per House Joint Resolution 192 of June 5, 1933, Senate Report 93-549m and Executive Orders 6072, 6102, 6111, and 6246.”

One needs to look at the origins of copyright law to see under what laws the corporation of United States was formed, hint; it will take you back to Britain. As well, the inferior negotiating status of America during the Paris Treaty shows that it was not ever considered to be a country like the United Kingdom.

God man wake up people!

Rattler Rider

Oh shucks, I’ve attacked their Federal gOD again.

AB

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/united_states/exploration_1675.jpg

Rattler Rider

Yep, seen it before, just another incomplete map and story by another Englishman.

AB

Incredible videos and a couple of comments:

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/03/27/stunning-video-shows-japan-tsunami-ravage-kesennuma/ Kesennuma, located 300 miles northeast of Tokyo in Miyagi prefecture, was near the epicenter of the March 11 earthquake that triggered the tsunami

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366000/Japan-tsunami-video-shows-tidal-wave-destroying-path.html

Miyako Japan Hate those preachers who claim “god’s” will and all this BS …. this is the result of man’s stupidity – building towns in coastal regions in a country where earth quakes and tsunamis are common place is against all logic. At least since the 2004 tsunami politicians should have learned a lesson and either moved or protected coastal communities in earth quake / tsunami endangered countries such as Japan – it all comes down to cost. To base ones electricity supply on nuclear power, being in a region with daily earth quakes with a big one to be expected at any time is simply criminal, but it is cheap. Again, cost/profit takes over any and all decisions of a government. Now, everything is in rubble and tens of thousands are dead, it will all be rebuild until the next time.
James, Bankok 15/3/2011 01:40

Having lived in this quaint little coastal city of Miyako in Iwate Prefecture for several months back in 1985, it is heart-breaking to see the video of the destruction occurring in such a peaceful and beautiful place. My heart goes out to the families of all those that were lost and to the survivors. May you all find some comfort knowing that the world grieves with you and that there are so many people around the world that will donate to the relief effort that will be required to help you rebuild your lives. It is of little comfort to you now and in the difficult months ahead, but know that you are not forgotten. Know that I will always have a deep love for the people of Miyako and thank you for the love that so many of you shared towards me during my stay in your city.

- K Richardson, Edmonton, Canada, 14/3/2011 21:02

ar

Why does the earth tremble, shake?

ar

Don’t tell me any more truths, at all, Greg. I have my head in the sand and it scares me to come out and see the light of day. I’ve practiced bobbin’ my head up and down and swallowing gov’t's. trashy treaties for so long, they have my mind in their evil hands and I Follow where ever they lead.

Considering the length of time it took to completely infiltrate and change the minds of the people, their expertise has duped a peoples in 200+ years where it used to take closer to 500 years to turn heathen. The outcome of worshiping men, wood and stone is Rome.

Folks like Rockefeller’s oil pals set-off environmentalism for their own profit. If these folks really consider evolution as I have heard it all my life (just puked again) then, the ESA is their own folly, such a joke stopping evolution. The sadness of roaming around inside a box discovering new territory each turn.

Where’s the light??

ar

Where’s the light?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy_BUzuCV10&feature=related

Rattler Rider

Where’s the Utopia ?

Rattler Rider

And some wonder why us poor poor uneducated and financially destitute Idahoans want to hunt, or raise our own beef.

Meat Glue Secret
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXXrB3rz-xU

Barry

Yummmmy….you just have to love the stuff the government industry will allow. You can’t sell a clean piece of beef that was farm raised and slaughtered at a local butcher, but run down to the grocery store and buy your glued together scraps.

Makes sense to me. Nothing like government regulation to take care of us. Go government takeover!!

Radiated lettuce and arugula for the vegans, yummy glued beef for the rest.

Me….I think I’ll stick to the stuff I raise and hunt thank you very much.

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