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Yesterday, I called the Baucus/Tester wolf delisting bill a pig with lipstick. It’s still a pig only with more lipstick that appears to be a bit gothic. What was discovered in the recent over-hyped “agreement” between the House, the Senate and the White House, was that Baucus and Tester got their wolf bill, slightly modified, onto the Continuing Resolution (CR). The wording as it appears in that CR for wolf delisting, reads:

Sec. 1713. Before the end of the 60-day period beginning on the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of the Interior shall reissue the final rule published on April 2, 2009 (74 Fed. Reg. 15123 et seq.) without regard to any other provision of statute or regulation that applies to issuance of such rule. Such reissuance (including this section) shall not be subject to judicial review and shall not abrogate or otherwise have any effect on the order and judgment issued by the United States District Court for the District of Wyoming in Case Numbers 09-CV-118J and 09-CV-138J on November 18, 2010.

In short, nobody has a clue as to what exactly this wording means or how it is going to affect a laundry list of other settled and pending issues.

I’m not a lawyer nor am I an expert on the U.S. Constitution but I have my doubts as to whether legislation can be written that bypasses judicial scrutiny.

Aside from the unknown mess the U.S. Congress will be getting themselves into, the rider attached to this budget bill is doomed for failure and I am convinced it was contrived with that in mind.

It is assumed that this CR will pass both houses of Congress and signed by the President by week’s end.

All support should get behind H.R. 509. It’s a straightforward bill that’s simple and doesn’t utilize any smoke and mirrors.

*Update* April 12, 2011, 3:15 p.m.

Here is Congressman Mike Simpson’s press release issued today. Congressman Simpson is Chairman of the House Interior and Environment Appropriations Subcommittee, which oversees funding for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Cong. Simpson’s release is hogwash. I know I am probably not making any new friends and losing what few I have, but I’m not willing to jump on some propped up bill rider that will do nothing and probably set this entire process back several years.

Congressman Simpson signed on in support of Denny Rehberg’s bill, H.R. 509 that avoided all this mumbo jumbo of reinstating this and voiding that while, circumventing the courts and cherry picking court rulings, while voiding others. I mean, give me a break! H.R. 509 should have been the language attached in this rider placed on the Federal Budget bill, but it wasn’t. Why not?

Simpson says:

“I am confident that this language gets us closer to our ultimate goal, which is seeing the entire Northern Rocky Mountain wolf population taken off the endangered species list and managed exclusively by the states,”

What about Wyoming? What about the people in the Southwest? What about the citizens residing the Western Great Lakes area? Why write nonsensical, idiot language in a bill rider that gets us “closer” when the language already exists that will resolve the problem for everyone and not come across as a bunch of radical hoodlums trying to blow smoke up someone’s hat to avoid judicial scrutiny? We may not like the results that come out of some of the courts but many of us have to rely on those same courts when the pendulum is swinging the other way.

Supporting this unsettling bill is a very bad idea. I will not do it and will continue to focus on the possibilities of passing H.R. 509. I certainly can’t see any reason why Rep. Simpson of Idaho and Sen. Baucus and Sen. Tester of Idaho should be considered allies in our fight for passage of H.R. 509. They have taken a very different turn.

Tom Remington

Mike D.

Yep. I think you’re exactly correct. This rider is a feint, a false move that will tie up wolf issues in court for years. Instead of moving toward a solution, the Simpson-Tester-Baucus rider will exacerbate the problems.

I would like us both to be wrong, but I don’t think we are.
Chandie Bartell

Oh my gosh! I have been blocked by Ralph Maughan’s moderators! It appears Jeff E, alias Not a fan of WW2 doesn’t like being called Tim Jeff Eagen, and is going to SUE me for LIBEL if I use that name again!

However, if Notafan of WW2 isn’t Jeff Eagen, then it must be Brian Ertz or William Huard. The fact is they want to take me to court for using Jeff E’s real name, go for it.

Let Jeff E take me to court. What is he going to SUE me for? Saying he hangs out with skin-heads? Maybe that he threatened the Governor, “Clem” as he disrespectfully addresses him?

These people are digging such a deep hole to expose their “agenda,” connections, and Mengele intentions our Legislatures & Senators feel they need to not only protect us from this “nest” of operatives, but expose them.

I”m not going to be bullied by Jeff E, Tim Jeff Eagen, William Huard, Brian Ertz. They want to sue, what are they going to sue me for????

Can you imagine me standing up in court and reading William Huard’s expose on Ralph Maughan’s blog that all “rednecks” meaning rural Idahoans should be rounded up into CAMPS, and the males neutered so they can’t breed?

Or Jeff E’s private e-mail threats to my friends?

Or Brian Ertz’s volumes of “hate?”

I really don’t think I have A LOT to be worried about. On the other hand, I might look forward to having them TRY to sue me for LIBEL.

However, I don’t think they are BRAVE enough to come out from behind their computers.
Chandie Bartell

Chandie Bartell Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
April 14, 2011 at 4:51 AM
Looks like Notafanof WW2 is taking that statement out of context again.

I still am haunted by the statement made on Black Bear Blog by Chandie Morse Bartell of Potlatch, Idaho. In December she threatened legislators with violence if they didn’t side with her and Scott Rockholm’s demands for extermination of the wolves in Idaho.

That part I just copy and pasted is a flat out lie.

“*There?s a lot I can? say on this blog, due to the other side reading it. I hope finally we are getting legislatures that will quit waiting for the ?uprising? of the people and come to our assistance to protect their political positions. If our legislatures don?t start standing with us there will and could be violence.”

The last part is not a threat to senators at all. Again taken out of context. As a matter of fact a SENATOR said this exact statement to a member of our group. The senator told my friend at a meeting, we needed to educate the public to create an uprising so the senators could act in our behalf.

I believe we are succeeding.

I also believe the coward that posted this on the internet and took it out of context, and said I hang out with skin heads is Jeff E, Tim Jeffery Eagen.

Chandie, I’m not going to let you spread you libelous nonsense on this blog.

You and Rattle Rider seriously need to get a grip and figure out once and for all that Jeff E is not Tim Jeffery Eagen is not Notafanof WW2 and is not that sheriff’s deputy you so handily libeled on the BBB. One of these days one of them is going to come after you with a lawsuit.

And to quibble whether or not your threat of violence was directed at legislators or not is nonsense as well. You threatened violence towards someone. It doesn’t matter much who. It’s still illegal.

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It’s interesting that William Huard, Jeff E Tim J. Eagen, or who ever wrote this is so desperate to “marginalize” me and my reputation, that they are TELLING me I threatened “someone.”

Let me tell you something, the Senator that told “us” this predicted there would be violence a long time ago, if our Legislatures and Senators didn’t support the Good People of Idaho, that is why HB 343 was passed, and many more bills to protect our FREEDOMS will pass by a VAST MAJORITY.

I personally know the Senator, as MANY other Legislatures and Senators, and am good friends with them. If anything you are “looking” as desperate as Bonnie from Salmon who made the “death threat phone calls” a few months ago, when she tried to threaten libel lawsuits.

Time to face the fact, Ralph Maughan, DOW, Ed Bangs & Co, the entire USFWS, and many in our State IDFG have NO credibility.

I also don’t think hiding behind a computer with a fake name should release “you” from accountability, when posting LIES about me and my friends, many which are very serious accusations.

I will continue to use your real names, and not your “fake names.”
Chandie Bartell

Jeff E, EAGEN IP addresses are traceable. There is no doubt in my mind you are the Tidy Bowl Man.
Chandie Bartell

jon Says:
April 12, 2011 at 7:40 PM
That does seem like a threat to me. Who will be committing this “violence”? The anti-wolf extremists that belong to Idaho for wildlife? Only time will tell.

That statement is even funnier! Let’s see who got busted for calling someone in Salmon, and telling them THEY were going to kill a local resident’s kids and family? Same person that made a blanket statement against all IFW members, that she was going to kill all of them.

This woman is connected to the Ralph Maughan bloggers, and the threat was made against a woman, her kids and family, as well as ALL IFW members, one who is a former Federal Court Judge.

I don’t think the Jeff E’s and Willam Huard’s have a LEG to stand on in this situation. If they don’t think IP addresses can be traced, Wasden is very capable.
Chandie Bartell

william huard Says:

April 12, 2011 at 7:52 PM

Gee sounds like a sensible plan! Who are you going to shoot with the guns and ammo? The guvmint? The national Guard?

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I better turn this over to National Security!!! William Huard just threatened the United States Governement and the National Guard. I have a former student in Iraq, serving with the National Guard, that means he is threatening our Armed Forces!!!!

This is serious!! He is threatening to Shoot the government and the National Guard Armed Forces. Not a threat of violence, but pre-meditated murder!
Harley

Well huh, I tried to post over there and it didn’t go through. But since they kinda monitor things over here, I guess I can repost it here. It wasn’t even that bad of a post. *shrug*

ATTEMPTED POST TO RALPH MAUGHAN’S WILDLIFE NEWS: 4/14
“Rednecks could be put into camps until we find a way to stop them from breeding.”

Ouch…

I remember a debate going on that lasted several days on another blog where some wondered why they were being compared with Nazis…

Comments like the above one don’t really help the matter, just saying.
Harley

lol and I found it kinda buried and not where I thought it would be! Such is life.
Tom Remington

Harley – I don’t know how Ralph or whoever administers his blog does things, but if he or someone is “moderating” all posts, obviously they will get posted when the become moderated and approved. If the settings are such, approval may or may not be at the moment the approval occurs. It may be according to the time your comment was made. Therefore if a bunch of comments get moderated at the same time from the past say 3 hours, if they get listed by time, hard to say where they will appear.
Rattler Rider

They changed the color of their blog to dark, they should have done that years ago, more fitting for the death cult.

“These people in Idaho like the Rockheads and Hemmings are nuts, and everyone knows this but them. Rednecks could be put into camps until we find a way to stop them from breeding. Since shooting them is out of the question, we could neuter the males until their numbers could get down to a more manageable number. Wolves are just a symptom of their shitty karma. Have you ever heard them say anything nice about anyone or anything?”—-Ralph Maughan blog –Authored by one William Huard, probably a fake name.

We do not take these environmentalists and their Babylonian establishment legal claims nor scientific claims serious, they are only talking to themelves now. We’ve given up on them, they had the chance to support all wild life, and managed hunting and they blew it, they have lost all credibility.

Now maybe the elk can win again.
Barry

I see they are calling for a tightening of the reins over at the wildlies and Karl Marx blog. Seems they don’t want any voice that doesn’t march the party line without question.

One useless actions goes against their precious scam and they are ready to revolt. I swear these people are completely bonkers For all the crying and whining you would think congress just eliminated the ESA and the EAJA.

Maybe in the next budget…………

I did see they never missed a beat though, they are suing over bison already. Big surprise eh? enjoy your abuse and overreaching idiots, I see you never learned anything. Don’t bitch when those things are actually done…..
Barry

I do have to say…….I have been enjoying the reading over there lately. Usually I just puke, but I love watching them expose their hate and anger. Revolt you liberal idiots….I dare ya!
Rattler Rider

LMFAO..

Their yella !
Harley

The post did come up, twice as a matter of fact but it came like, in the middle of the thread of posts instead of at the bottom like it usually does so it kinda confused me for a moment.
Barry

Harley

I will take a valid stab at answering the question you asked over at wildlies that none of them could come up with and answer for, in their shallow minds, it’s all about hate. The only hate I have seen lately, happens to be from that side.

The reason wolves are so ‘vilified’ as you asked has to do with several factors.
1. One side is so emotionally intoxicated by them, that even a rumor of one being hunted or shot brings out ignorance and threats from lunatics.

2. They are NOT the venerable species the pro wolfers what everyone to believe they are, they breed like freaking rabbits and leave a swath of death every place they roam, simply put, they are a management nightmare.

3. The hunters have invested billions of dollars in wildlife management over the last 80 years. Although a few of the most hateful over there don’t want to give the “idiots with a gun” credit for that, it is in fact the truth. These supposed wildlife lovers actually contribute squat in comparison. And we don’t take to kindly to a protected animal being dumped on our ecosystems that was solely brought here to push an agenda.

And then watch decades of wildlife management go down the tubes while having our hands tied. We will never again see our elk herds recovered anywhere close to what they were. That’s just the sad truth. And for what? This issue lost it’s sanity over 9 years ago. But someone also made a pretty valid point, most peoples anger isn’t about the wolf as much as it is about the criminals and idiots that continually support them at any cost, no matter the science, no matter the evidence.

DoW and the other wolf loving groups just proved there real concern for wolves. They attempted to sell them out simply to protect their ability to sue over them, it really is all about money with all of these groups, Ralph’s included.

They only want to label us haters as a way of attempting to marginalize us. When is the last time you seen anyone over here advocating for loading humans up into cattle cars, locking them in camps, neutering them, etc. etc.

And you can a message back to JeffE, if he actually thinks we are done, he is sadly mistake. That NAJA is right in our sights. Time to take the money out of the folks who exploit wildlife for money and give the management back to the folks who actually pay for it.

I hope that answers you question, it really isn’t about hate toward the animal. I don’t hate any animal, but the morons who push it on people, that’s a different story. I have no use for any of them.
Rattler Rider

Yep, ask how many of them over yonder have spent months in back country alone. How many of them have busted poachers, and been under witness protection because of it. Ask how many of them live here full time. How many of them have spent their own dime driving back roads and parking in highway turnouts, like along highway 20-21-75, and climbed over the bank to pick up garbage bags of trash and beer cans, wine bottles, diapers. Ask them how many times they have found where people changed their vehicle oil out in the BLM lands someplace, and cleaned it up themselves. Ask them how many times have their horses been busted out the corral by wolves and run off. Ask them if they would mind leaving their dogs to home for camping trips because you don’t want them killed while out hiking. Ask them how many back country trails they have kept open by cutting down dead fall across the trail, so folks would stay on the trail and not make new trails around the dead falls. Ask them if they can saddle a horse and pack string and ride it thirty miles a day. Oh forget it, you’ll find no heart over there at all. These are people that think terrorizing strangers in foreign, or even domestic lands is their entitled right. I don’t know anybody that hates wolves, but I know several people that can see what has happened, some of them used to be on that side and are not any longer, the honest ones living amongst this wild life wreck. I also know that most of us living here don’t need told how to live, and don’t like being told what we should be doing, anymore than those folks over yonder, bowing down to their SIRIUS GOD LIKE WOLVES.
Rattler Rider

Environmentalists=Just another type of warmonger.
Harley

See darnit, I know you guys do not hate the wolf! I know as responsible hunters, you know that predators are a valuable part of any ecosystem, you aren’t stupid hick rednecks like they say you are! GAH! It’s so frustrating!!
I would like to think that Greg knows a heck of a lot about wolves just from the time he spends in the wilderness. Nothing, and I repeat, NOTHING trumps first hand observation and experience!

lol actually, I think the only really good conversations I had over there were about Chicago being stupid enough to bring in MORE coyotes to combat rodents in the city, and talking to SB about military service. I’m trying to be polite over there. Wow, they are stirred up like a hornets nest and NONE of them address or even try to admit that they too are being completely … what is a good word… maybe emotionally stirred up by this? Maybe reacting in a violent, threatening manner? I see people who want to leave the country. Yeah, this country may not be perfect but wow, I wouldn’t want to leave it! I guess they feel like you all over here have the corner stone for threats and violence.

My personal opinion as to why it’s the wolf is kinda simple really. I think it’s because for some, it so closely resembles the dog and it just, as you say, brings up an emotional response. Gotta protect ‘man’s best friend’ at any cost.
lol of course Barry, you are going by Why do they love the wolf more than any other species! A very different perspective I think than their view that all of you ‘hate’ the wolf who are against it.
Whew, a complex problem to be sure! I still say there are some on both sides that do have some very valid points.
I did notice that they really didn’t address my question about ‘endangered’ either. I personally do not consider the wolf endangered anymore, particularly in states like Minnesota. And when is a species considered not endangered? Their side likes to talk about how successful the comeback of the wolf has been. And it has been! I won’t argue there. I know there has been talk about having a wolf back in it’s former range of territory but you can’t do that anymore, not with our population. But if you could, would they then be considered ‘not endangered’? What is the criteria? Is there even something formally written down? I believe there was when they first re-introduced the wolf to Idaho, correct? And then they kept changing the numbers, or was you guys said at one time, raising the bar?
I firmly believe there are those that would want them kept on an ‘endangered’ list for the rest of eternity.
Harley

See? That’s what I mean Greg, you KNOW. You’ve seen it! But they dismiss you like you’re some weirdo! They have their own share of those over there. I admit, there are some on both sides that kinda scare me with, the depth of that passion when it pushes into the realm of violence and threats. But I have to admit too, the balance is scewed. More over there scare me with their rhetoric than those over here.
Tom Remington

Harley – As is written in the ESA, Sec. 4: The Secretary must apply any one of the following criteria in order to determine if a species is endangered:

(A) the present or threatened destruction, modification, or
curtailment of its habitat or range;
(B) overutilization for commercial, recreational, scientific,
or educational purposes;
(C) disease or predation;
(D) the inadequacy of existing regulatory mechanisms; or
(E) other natural or manmade factors affecting its continued
existence.

According to this law, any ONE or more of these criteria, if met, can result in listing of a species.
It also is made clear that the ONLY way a species can be removed from this list is if ALL of these criteria no longer apply.

Tell me where on here is part of the criteria boundary lines or any other political obstruction to list or delist a species?
Harley

Ha! see? They didn’t produce this bit of evidence now did they? THanks Tom.
Rattler Rider

They don’t like anyone that they cannot push around, intellectually or other wise. And since they are selective researchers they are denialist’s. Most of them are far far away from the scene of the damage. Socialism does not work for animals either.
Rattler Rider

Oh, and when you dig up things that prove your case as Tom has done above, you’re whacked.

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