USFWS: Let’s Delist Gray Wolves and Invent Another Species

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The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) is so pathetic they make me laugh. I am beyond disgust.

For me, it’s always been a toss up as to whether the USFWS was incompetent or corrupt. I suppose a combination of the two, supported by an apathetic citizenry, has provided the ideal playing field for the puppet non governmental environmental agencies propped up by the USFWS.

The USFWS announced that it has written a Final Rule, to be published in the Federal Register in a couple weeks, declaring once again that the gray wolf in the Western Great Lakes Distinct Population Segment (WGLDPS) is a recovered species and no longer needs the protection of the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

“Wolves in the Western Great Lakes have achieved recovery,” said Fish and Wildlife Service Acting Director Rowan Gould. “We are taking this step because wolf populations have met recovery goals and no longer need the protection of the Endangered Species Act. We are asking the public to review this proposal and provide us with any additional information that can help inform our final decision.”

In addition, the USFWS announced they have discovered another species of wolf living in this same region.

After reviewing the latest available scientific and taxonomic information, the Service now recognizes the presence of two species of wolves in the Western Great Lakes: the gray wolf (Canis lupus), the wolf species currently listed under the ESA, and the eastern wolf (Canis lycaon), with a historical range that includes portions of eastern Canada and the northeastern United States. Recent wolf genetic studies indicate that what was formerly thought to be a subspecies of gray wolf (Canis lupus lycaon) is actually a distinct species (Canis lycaon). To establish the status of this newly recognized species, the Service is initiating a review of Canis lycaon throughout its range in the United States and Canada.

Isn’t magic mind-boggling?

First the announcement to delist the gray wolf. This is of course a joke. It’s a joke because the courts have the issue so screwed up, there is really no solution to this problem. In it’s simplest form, the USFWS cannot delist wolves because the courts have taken away their ability to do so. There no longer exists the procedures available to remove a species from the ESA.

In September of 2008, Judge Paul Friedman in Civil Action No. 07-0677 (PLF), Humane Society of the United States v. Kempthorne, remanded the case back to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) in order to prove that it has authority to create distinct population segments (DPS).

In this case, the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) sued the USFWS claiming that the ESA does not give authority to USFWS to simultaneously create a DPS and delist a species within that DPS. The judge did not vacate the rule, he sent it back to the USFWS seeking proof they could do such a thing.

The idiocy of this entire ruling prompts the question that if the USFWS doesn’t have the authority to create a DPS of gray wolves in the Western Great Lakes, then how did we get DPSs of any specie throughout this country?

So, once again, the USFWS is going to attempt to delist gray wolves in the WGLDPS. How do they plan to do that? If they can’t provide sufficient proof to satisfy Judge Friedman, then I would suppose the HSUS will just turn around and sue again. Why not? Certainly the USFWS has no intention of standing in their way. Perhaps they are even paving the way.

But consider this. While Judge Friedman was playing his games in Washington, D.C., Judge Donald Molloy continued on his path to stardom by blurring legal lines, creating science and trumping up ESA interpretations of his own.

Judge Molloy never ruled that the USFWS doesn’t have authority to create a DPS, but it did rule that the USFWS cannot delist wolves along state boundaries. Evidently it’s okay to list wolves along state boundaries, or any other boundary for that matter. You just can’t delist them that way and subsequently he placed gray wolves back under ESA protection.

To further complicate matters, a recent bill rider attached to the latest Federal Budget, calls for the reinstatement of the 2009 Final Rule issued by the USFWS that delists wolves in Idaho and Montana but excludes Wyoming. This essentially delists wolves according to state boundaries. Or, why not look at it for what it is? The federal government has now created a new DPS (that excludes Wyoming) and simultaneously delisted a species within that DPS. Does this mean that now the USFWS can create a DPS and delist anytime and anywhere?

It’s my opinion based on the information that’s available, that the USFWS has done absolutely nothing since Judge Friedman remanded the court case back the Service for clarification. I think they are just hoping but I’m not sure exactly what they are hoping for. One would think they would be hoping nobody will sue but I sooner think they are hoping somebody will.

If all of this isn’t complicated and ridiculous enough, the USFWS claims to have found another species of wolf living with the gray wolves on the WGLDPS. Is this some kind of farce? Why would the USFWS even consider delisting gray wolves when it is considering listing the mystical or mythical “eastern wolf”?

If the states of Minnesota, Wisconsin and Michigan are fighting to get gray wolves delisted so they can better reduce and control numbers, this can never be done if the USFWS decides it needs to list the eastern wolf within the same region. It is a farce.

In addition, this declaration of another species of wolf (a dog is a dog is a dog) and called-for investigation into the status of this animal throughout the Eastern United States and Canada is troublesome and actually downright frightening when one considers the possibilities here.

This could very well be the beginning of the end for hunting and trapping as we now know it in much of the U.S. We have seen the death and destruction brought upon Idaho, Montana and Wyoming, where protected gray wolves have destroyed many species of wildlife, including game animals like deer, moose and elk. Contrary to what some want to believe, there is no solution in sight for this atrocity and now the same threat looms over as much as one-half of the entire country.

Here is something that needs careful and thoughtful consideration. Looming somewhere in the halls of Congress are two wolf bills – HR509 and S249. These two bills would amend the Endangered Species Act to exempt gray wolves from the powerful throes of that Act. Is it merely a coincidence that shortly after the wrangling that has taken place in Washington, with these two bills and the recent bill rider I spoke of above, that the USFWS would discover a species of wolf separate from the gray wolf?

Perhaps Congressman Denny Rehberg should consider an amendment to his bill to cover this. Or better yet, let’s just get rid of the ESA as it no longer serves any purpose in saving species.

This is completely out of control.

Tom Remington

Bruce Hemming

Great article Tom. They have been inventing species since the baby seals then it was the Spotted Owl these idiots will lie about any species just to lined their greedy pockets with more Taxpayer Dollars.
Barry

They have spent 15 years denying the reality of the subspecies differences in the native Rocky Mountain Timber wolf from their Canadian import and making claims that a wolf is a wolf. And then they make claims that even if there were differences that the cross over in territories historically eliminates differences of any real meaning.

Well of course that was in covering their ass and violations of the ESA and the Logan Acts. Just write any damn science you need to to say whatever you want it to. Yet, ignore that science if and when it doesn’t fit your agenda anymore.

Historically biology has differentiated subspecies by a North/South parameter in accordance with the proven Bergmans Rule. Now they want to ignore that in preference for an East/West claim?

Yeah, the fraud never ends does it……..the coming financial collapse may be the best thing to ever happen to our wildlife. When there is no longer any money for these welfare recipients to get, they will no longer have any reason to keep exploiting this fraud.
Chandie Bartell

So called “pro wolf” advocates are doing a great job in making the wolf public enemy number one again. No state should have to treat wolves as pests, with good management and the use of hunting wolves can become a valuable resource that creates funds for more conservation. To not allow Idaho and Montana states to manage wolves is committing biological warfare upon the hunters, conservationists, landowners, people and the natural big game food chains of these states. For example, Idaho. Wolves and bears wipe out the elk, they wipe themselves out or they move on to prey upon domestic livestock and pets. What choice do they have? What choice do the hunters and landowners have? SSS or loose loose loose. If you want to save wolves they must be managed by the individual states and to raise the number of predators in any management program they must be able to increase the needed species needed to feed these predators.

OK wolf advocates, time to step up and feed the wolves, put your money where your mouths are. Join RMEF save an elk, feed a wolf. Get on your law makers, and get involved with your state agencies, turn loose a buffalo, do something! Keeping wolf management tied up in Federal court and on the endangered list far longer and to much higher numbers than agreed to in the start is hurting the wolves and giving them a bad name. Those numbers were reached for a reason, that reason is that’s how many the habitat can support with out endangering other wildlife. To save a wolf to purposely endanger it’s survival by endangering other species survival is nothing short of biological war and the animals lost the first war
Chandie Bartell

That above comment was written by me, I got it from someone else. I thought it had some good points.

Barry, Are you thinking of the Lacey Act?
Chandie Bartell

The first shipment of wolves in 95 had no paperwork required by the Lacey Act, which states all wildlife being transported across international boundaries must be filled out.

Jim Beers says he never found any paperwork for the first shipment of wolves. The forms are called 3-177 forms.
Barry

You are correct Chandie, good catch, The Lacey Act. Thanks

My mind is a bit scattered this morning, I have spent all weekend scouring federal documents. That’s enough to suck the life out of anyone. One thing I can say for Eddie Bangs, he can fill a documents with reams of useless information to sift through.

I put an email into IFANG this morning, still waiting for a call back. I will let you know what they say, if they even decide to call back.
Chandie Bartell

Thanks Barry, Time to resemble my local pony express for HB 343. Talk to you later and thanks for all you do.
http://fotnyeh.org Bob Fanning

“and the eastern wolf (Canis lycaon), with a historical range that includes portions of eastern Canada and the northeastern United States. Recent wolf genetic studies indicate that what was formerly thought to be a subspecies of gray wolf (Canis lupus lycaon) is actually a distinct species (Canis lycaon). ”

Their coming after Maine hunters now, just as Dr. Kay predicted

Eventualy y’all will figure it out and get FOTNYEH the money to take this insanity to court.

For the record Tom Remington, when Bangs was confronted over Canis Lupus Irremotus that the Canadian wolf drove to extinction his response was ; “a wolf is a wolf”
Barry

Isn’t it always amazing at the timing of their scientific ‘finds’? Anyone who can not see through the fraudulent nature of this claimed ‘science’ has to be wearing blinders.

They eliminated all the subspecies out West just in time to bring in their Canadians, and now they have decided to create an entirely different species just in time to stop the delisting in the UP.

WOW, isn’t that science convenient?
http://fotnyeh.org Bob Fanning

They”ve already announce a 46% reduction in hunter harvest a day later?

So much for the adaptive management governance process where the Maine hunting and agricultureal interests get to come to the table and set terms , standards and conditions.

Marx, Lenin, Stalin & Kruchev are in utter amazement that the American people are such apathetic pussies and taking this cram down without so much as a whimper. Whimper , hell, you only have 9 comments to the loss of another block of states to anti hunter Marxists. Cass Sunstein will just continue to cook up schemes to drive you all to your knees and lick his JackBoots.

Tom Remington

Ahhhhhhh! The root of the problem!

Rattler Rider

Let them starve themselves to death, they’re going to go down with the pussies that won’t stand up to them. So be it.
ar

According to USFWS, the fucking dogs create a new species every time they have a litter.

Where have the bioloJests placed their heads, to include their shoulders? If one damned dog to another will copulate, then, they are the same kind – their DNA to RNA molecules allow likes to mate. Otherwise, it’s impossible to “cross-over” any breeding, easing the minds of some that worry what offspring might occur. Rest easy, it won’t bring a dog-man, yet. Rest assured men are working on it.
Tom Remington

We do have half man half donkey though. They roam the halls of Congress on a daily basis and quite often end up in the White House.
ar

And their come-alongs work for MDIF, wildlife disappearing.
Chandie Bartell

Ed Bangs also said the Native resident Wolves were extinct. He stuck his finger out in Cody, WY and told a friend of mine that documented them, mapped them, and turned in that “data;” “There weren’t no Native Wolves!”

Ed Bangs also told the cowboys in Cody, WY, “It’s all dog, boys.” “There all just dog.”
Chandie Bartell

Just heard we have more cattle killing wolves over the hill, hitting my old boss’s ranch.

Neighbor showed up last night and something killed her goat in her yard. I need to speak to her to find out the details on that one.
Chandie Bartell

1:15 Pacific Time- I was just told Otter signed HB 343 in front of Monty Pierce the Chairman of the House Environment Resource Committee!

HB 343 has been signed!
TLM

Chandie – can you email me the info about the goat and cattle when you find out more? (Critter News)
Barry

Hey Jonni boi, I will give you my thoughts…….Immer has no choice but to make the statement she did, she well knows she can not debate these issues outside of Ralph’s. Immer claims lots of things, but what she post is skewed information and emotional claims. I have asked her to step out from behind her censored walls many times and lets discuss the truth, but alas……she is not going to do that because she knows she can not defend her position. I have set her straight enough times that she now just stays where she is at.

And as far as your posts the last few days…..it’s nice to see you are back on your medications.

I told you over a year ago where this was headed, you called me insane. I guess not eh Jonni? I hardly ever went over to wildlies until recently, I must say, I am enjoying the lunatics postings over there as all their lies and manipulation come apart.

It really is to bad that the pro wolf orgs insisted on exploiting the wolves for money, that they insisted on shoving their raw greed out in front of the real issue and pushed until their cash cow became the bad guy. No one to blame here Jonni, but the very people you hang out with, DoW CBD, WWP et al, just killed more wolves than anyone would have called for, including me, had this program been done as was indicated it would be clear back in 2002.

You folks keep pushing your emotional drivel, manufactured lies and created science. And we are going to go clean up the mess you fools created.
Barry

I find it a little interesting that Immer made mention of saber rattling……it seems we have in the last three months pushed through a federal rider and passed a state law and are well on our way to cleaning up the wolf mess. Looks more like we pulled that saber and slice and diced some huge and well funded orgs. Not bad for a bunch of illiterate, inbred hillbillies eh Jonni?

We managed to get out from under the insanity of Idahos 2008 plan of 500+ wolves and are going to back to the federal recovery numbers. I for one, was a happy camper when Molloy made his last ruling. Many thought I was nuts, but as I explained then……it proved unequivocally that science has had nothing to do with this sham, and the management plan we had then was such a fraud that it insured more wolf problems in the future, it solved nothing but saying we were being allowed management, but the details showed otherwise. This last year has been more than worth it if for no other reason than to get out from under that mess.

It is going to be alright though….no one is going to wipe out your wolves, we are just going to balance them out so they fit into our modern limited ecosystems and allow the other species a chance to recover.

Remember jonni, Idaho has but one legal wolf management plan, and that was drafted in 2002. And it does not state that we will manage wolves to some insane number of 500+………if you want to be pissed at someone…….go talk to the plaintiff’s.
Bruce Hemming

Barry really the wolf cult is hiding again behind the censorship of Ralf Skirt. LMAO No doubt afraid to come here where we can expose all the fraud they believe in. Here is long reply I just wrote to another one might as will post it here too for all the wolf cult to read.
Have you read the John Stark study in Idaho right? You know the one that wolf cult had buried cause it proved with science that wolves were the ones slaughtering the livestock? But wolves were on confirmed killers 1 out 7 times on the average? But were in fact the killers each time so the ranchers had to pay for the other 6 out of his own pocket. You have interview the ranchers that have been forced out of business right? No???? I have in fact I documented in my film Undue Burden one rancher that lost $100,000.00 in livestock and never received on dime in compensation from Defenders of Wildlife. I bring this up to a lot to the wolf cult members and you know what not ONE of you cold uncaring cultist ever once offer to pay this man. No surprise there you are after all anti ranchers. You have seen the pictures of the cow elk bleeding slowly day after day after day after your lovely wolves ripped out her baby calf just as it is being born and left her to suffer cause they prefer a hot meal and took off looking for another pregnant elk cow. Your turn how can you support this? No hate toward wolves that is simple minded childish view you play with a domestic wolf oh how cute what the heck does that have to do with wild WOLVES hello not one damn thing. The wolf cult recommended their cult followers to read two books Never cry wolf. A complete and utter lie base on fiction. The second book was from a crazy lady who claimed she survive the Nazi by living with a pack of wolves. But after investigation was concluded the woman had to admit she LIED and made the whole thing up. In fact the publisher was suing her for all the money they paid her for her wolf fraud. What 2 books do we recommend? Ones base in science and truth. Wolves of North America Goldman you know a book base in truth and science. and the second book Wolves in Russia http://www.wolvesinrussia.com and you can learn what happen over in Russia when they believe in the fairy tales of the wolves and the human attacks. Plus I keep my own file on human attacks here in North America. You know ALL the attacks that have been covered up by the wolf cult. Like the 3 year girl sitting on the beach of Lake Superior when the healthy male wolf grabbed her arm and tried to run off with her and rip her throat out then eat. I have no trouble killing a wasteful predator. Man natural role in the Eco system is to be part of it. I guess you are one of those people that refuses to grow up and understand the Eco system. Controlling wolves is natural and man roles. What is unnatural is removing man and allowing wolves to wipe out our herds. In fact if you bother to read the Alaskan wolf studies they prove that if man doesn’t control the wolves that they will wipe out their prey base starving they well then attack livestock people and each other. You know where the wolf attack the 6 year old little boy from the wolf was starving. But the wolf cult hates children right? Until only a tiny few are left. The end result is 10 years of barren landscape as the herds slowly rebuild. So maybe for once in your life you will open you mind to the facts and stop our landscape from being turn into a barren wasteland. Now I answered your question your turn why do you support a predator that is ripping out baby elk calves as they are being born. Again if you bother to actually study this you would learn that calf recruitment is less then 0-10 per 100 elk cows. That reminds you read the Mi Tech Study done in Yellowstone proving the wolves were the ones slaughtering all the elk calves. But that study was buried cause it told the truth. The corrupt USFWS did a rush fake study the next year and magically the data changed to the wolves are not the bad guys. I could go on and on and on but why bother you people are cold uncaring evil cultist that turn a blind eye to the people going out of business, our wildlife being slaughter, the disease being spread by the wolves that are being transfer to livestock and HUMANS. But you cultist don’t care about all the human suffering you are causing. That in itself proves how evil you people truly are.
Want to know what living with wolves is all about? You have to see this new documentary titled Undue Burden.

http://www.prosts.com/Documentary-Undue-Burden.htm

A must see for every hunter, rancher, hiker, and nature lover.

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