When Wolf Drool Publications Border On Criminal

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It is a shame really that I feel the need to have to rebut ignorance and agenda-driven rancor when it comes to bad information allowed to be published in state and local news publications. Such was the case the other day when one Robert Goldman, who claims to be “an independent wildlife and wilderness advocate”, filled readers with a laundry list of unproven and/or outdated “science” about wolves/coyotes.

What was even more troubling is that the newspaper, the Sun Journal, published his piece in the “Columns & Analysis” section of the newspaper instead of in the “Opinions” section where it belongs. You can find his wolf drool here.

I’ll hit on some of the highlights.

Goldman claims he knows the “truth” about wild canines. I suppose, as is nearly always the case, that when one disagrees with someone else, you hold all the truth cards. Goldman is attempting to rebut an article that was written previously in the Sun Journal about wolves by V. Paul Reynolds, a weekly columnist for the Sun Journal and an editor for the Northwoods Sporting Journal.

In many ways, Goldman’s incorrect and idealistic frothing is very typical of his ilk, claiming that “malicious and inaccurate information about wolves that, for centuries, has resulted in the unjust demonization and heartless massacre of this vital and beautiful animal”.

Because the animal was readily killed and rightfully feared, Goldman, like his fellow canine worshipers, believes this action was uncalled for and born from ignorance of the wolf. Obviously knowing little about the world history of wolves or blatantly refusing to include it in his predilection toward protecting wolves, readers are robbed of an opportunity to discover how the wolves attacked and killed humans on far more than “rare” occasions, as we are indoctrinated to think from our schools and media; or that wolves without much difficulty killed people’s livestock; or anything about the 30 or so diseases they carry, many harmful or deadly to humans. Is there a need by Goldman to shield his readers from truth or is this about only his truth; that which only he wants you to know about.

Goldman drops names as the means of his references from where he claims his “truth” comes, i.e. Aldo Leopold, Adolph Murie, David Mech, Farley Mowat and Barry Lopez. Perhaps the author should have told his readers that much of the information provided by this list of resources is outdated and not necessarily scientifically proven. For instance, Dr. David Mech, a well-known “expert” on wolves, to his credit, has recanted some of the claims of which he laid out as truth some time ago (probably in order to achieve his goal of wolf introduction). One example of that is the Alpha male myth that still is perpetuated; that killing the alpha male disrupts the pack and causes the wolves/coyotes to do unruly things – a convenient application for those seeking defense of their wild dogs, while blaming humans.

One should be embarrassed to have read Farley Mowat and still rant that his writings are accurate and scientific. Many of Mowat’s claims in his book, “Never Cry Wolf” have been proven many times over to be false and rife with intellectual garbage.

You see, seeking the truth and taking the time to sing from the rooftops that you know the truth, requires reading and learning all sides of an issue and studying all perspectives and scientific data involved. Then and only then can the truth be discovered. One has to wonder if Mr. Goldman has ever studied Dr. Charles Kay, Dr. Valerius Geist, Dr. Tom Bergerud, Dr. Clay Dethlefsen? Or read books by Will Graves, Teddy Roosevelt, C. Gordon Hewitt, the diaries of many of the trappers, explorers, etc. that traveled many years ago in the West? How about even the Adventures of Lewis and Clark? Only to name a few. And, being that Goldman hails from Maine, I wonder if he has read, “Early Maine Wildlife” – Historical Accounts of Canada lynx, Moose, Mountain Lion, White-Tailed Deer, Wolverine, Wolves, and Woodland Caribou, 1603 – 1930 – by William B. Krohn and Christopher L. Hoving. I suppose that if he has, he would think the people back in the 1600s – early 1900s were maliciously spreading inaccurate information about wolves, while demonizing the creature causing unjust killing.

Instead, people such as Robert Goldman opt to cherry pick only the information that conveniently fits a narrative. Goldman admits that he has a love affair with wolves. Even though I think some people take their love affairs with animals a bit too far, I’m curious if Mr. Goldman is so concerned for his wolves that he would rather they be healthy, than riddled with disease and have to resort to cannibalism for survival? Perhaps his wolf world is just a bit too idealistic and bases that idealism on inane theories of “natural balance” or “natural regulation”?

It is unfortunate that what also takes place when there is discussion about wolves/coyotes is that anyone who asks for accurate and up-to-date scientific studies to base wild canine management decisions on, requesting a control in numbers of these and other predators, we are instantly accused of wanting to kill all wolves and coyotes and well, predators as a whole. This is simply not true and results from a person lacking any knowledge to rebut facts with facts.

Goldman says that wolves are, “instinctively wary of people and avoid contact with humans.” This is true under ideal circumstances. But people should understand that not always is everything “naturally balanced” as some would lead us to believe. All should read Dr. Valerius Geist’s “When Do Wolves Become Dangerous to Humans?”

Goldman’s claim that wolves “instinctively” avoid humans is not entirely true. Wolves are not stupid animals. Their “instinct” to avoid humans wanes considerably when they learn that there is no good reason to avoid humans. As a matter of fact, they will soon discover, and their “instincts” take over, that man and his surroundings can be a very easy and convenient source of food.

Reading and understanding Dr. Geist’s seven steps to recognizing wolf/coyote behavior can not only save your life some day, but will teach you much about the real behavior of wolves/coyotes and not the myth that wolves/coyotes are cute and cuddly, human-loving puppies that only want to be our friends. Understanding that concept doesn’t mean you then have to become a person seeking the complete destruction of the animal or live in fear of it. You can choose to go right on liking the beasts, it’s just that now you’ll know more truth about the animal. Is there something wrong with that?

It is the common theme these days for people like Goldman to postulate that wolves/coyotes are a necessary “balance” for our ecosystems. This theory is simply not true, has not, nor never can be proven scientifically to be an accurate statement. To latch onto such a claim is conveniently dishonest, intellectually vacant and reeks to high heavens of agenda-driven propaganda.

It is equally dishonest to promote hostility toward hunters, blaming them for disrupting the “natural” process, while at the same time painting some far flung notion that wolves/coyotes only kill the sick and weak of their prey subjects while hunters muddle the gene pool by taking only trophy game animals. (Read this article for information about whether “trophy hunting” spoils gene pools.)

Let’s not kid ourselves, a wolf/coyote is an opportunistic hunter. They will kill what they can kill. If that conveniently, for the wild dog, happens to be a three-legged deer or elk, then so be it. There exist documented evidence that wolves/coyotes kill adult healthy prey species any time of year. Documentation also exist that these varmints kill for sport. This is far too often denied by those who simply want to protect their loveable canines.

What is really despicable and a totally unacceptable attitude of this writer is his claim that those who wanted enactment of the Endangered Species Act were “enlightened”. In addition, those who lied and created the biggest deception in American wildlife history through wolf introduction into the greater Yellowstone area, are described by Goldman as being “maturing American attitudes”. He then goes on, in ignorant fashion, to declare that anyone not agreeing with his perspective are liars.

He follows this up with lies of his own stating that elk populations in the Rocky Mountain Region,”are strong and healthy”. Goldman needs to get out more and get his “truth” straightened around.

As I began this piece, it is a pity that I actually feel the need to rebut this garbage. I have better things that I should be doing, but until, somehow, we can break this cycle of repeated ignorance and bias and get our media to get off their lazy backsides and actually do some research of their own, this remains a stumbling block to move forward with sensible, science-backed facts in the management of our wildlife.

Tom Remington

Anonymous

When wolves “instinctively” skulk and belly crawl around my fishing or hunting camp I wonder what they are really “instinctively” up to.
When we sleep in the pick-up truck bed near the wilderness border prior
to back packing off into that section and wolves are sitting in the
timber looking at us in the dark, whatever are they “instinctively” up
to. When wolves follow me while riding my horse with packhorse across
16 miles of meadow and creek bottom what are them wolves “instinctively” up to, it sure as hell ain’t to “instinctively” avoid me. When pack framing elk out on my back and seven wolves are standing around me glaring at me what are they “instinctively” up to. I know, they’re learning to avoid me, their doing a good job to, I haven’t tripped over one yet. I am getting ready to trip the trigger on one soon, the snow be falling finally.
Shotgunrider123

There supposedly cummim up into Maine
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–Ecclesiastical verifies wolf darkest time in Finland
Posted by Jan Särnesjö on Thursday, August 18, 2011
http://www.vargfakta.se/nyheter/kyrkbocker-verifierar-vargens-harjningar-i-finland/

To get an idea of our future, it is important to …study
our history, many have said. The list below is a compilation of 175
recorded wolf attack deaths in Finland in 1710-1881. The source is
church records from the Finnish parishes. The compilation has been made
by the Finnish researcher and author Antti Lappalainen and presented in
his book Suden Jäljet (2005). 1800s may seem remote but apart
from that the people at that time did not have the technological tools
we have today, life was not so different from our contemporary rural
living. It worked, it was eating and drinking, children and dogs playing
in the yard, and around barns and pastures grazed cattle. Of
Lappalainen summary, we can deduce that the vast majority of attacks
occurred during the winter. Apparently wolves famine and sought closer
villages in search of food. It’s the behavior that gave rise to the word
“Varga Winter”, ie a winter so cold and hard to the wolves, who only
eats meat, can not find something to eat. It is also worth
noting the explosive ranges of the attacks. Deadly attacks occur in
periods of 1-4 years and then completely fade. And then suddenly turns
to the wolves again in another place. So it looks through the entire
list. Probably it’s because the wolf after repeated attacks completely
eliminated in the vicinity of the affected and angry villagers. According
to Professor Valerius Geist contemporary research, studying fearless
wolves live their lives and take prey ever closer to human settlements
and eventually attack the man. Perhaps the villagers for some time been
accustomed to domestic assault and intimate wolves that they eventually
themselves fell victim to. Most victims of child Broken down by age group sees Lappalainen death numbers like this: Infants 0-3 years 19 11% Children 4-9 years 67 38% Children / adolescents 10-17 years 14 8% Adults 18-40 years 47 27% Adults 41-60 years 20 11% Older adults 61-8 5% Total 175 100% Not
surprisingly, it is mainly children who are most affected, 57% with all
the up to 17 years included. The events in Kievennapa when 18 children
died during the short time overshadows most of the data and was highly
publicized in the mid 1800′s. Surprisingly, however, the large
group of young and middle aged people – 27%. The image of a young strong
man doing best against an attack fades slightly. What cause is not
apparent from the material, but statistically represented the age group
of the working-age population and spent much time outdoors in the woods.
A more detailed study would be interesting. A dark figure in the
projection is that it probably occurred much aggression that did not
lead to death. To obtain these may instead go to the Finnish folklore
research. Denying the wolf depredations during its heyday in the
Nordic countries is not only naive, it is an insult to all vargdräpta,
their families and descendants. Equally naive is it to say that it can
not happen again when we are home to wolves so close to our building.
While we humans have changed so is the wolf exactly the same. Or in the
words of the WWF’s own predator expert John Linnell: “Wolves
kill people. There is no doubt that through our history, wolves have
killed many people both when they were rabid, and when hunting prey.
(…). If we deny that this could ever happen, it will cause a total
collapse of our reputation and our credibility when attacks will
inevitably occur. ” (“Wolves kill people. There is little doubt
left That During our history Wolves Have Killed Many people in bothering
Rabid and predatory attacks. (…). If we deny That They Can ever
occure, it Will Cause a total breakdown of trust and creditability When
They inevitably do occure. “) From the article “The Need for Honesty in the Face of Inconvenient Facts”. At
the time of the massive wolf attacks on children in the village
Kievennapa (now Russian territory) in the years 1846-1850, was produced
already wolf traps of iron industrial. Many poor tenant farmers could
not afford to buy them and had to settle for homemade solutions. Often
made of wood. The drawing on träfällan to the right was featured in a
magazine from 1878. We want to emphasize that all types of traps today
are prohibited at hunting of wolves. The hunt is conducted under license
and with the rifle with ammunition of Class 1 (for Swedish big game). Wolf Killed Finn recorded in church records Date of Death Name Age Hometown February 27, 1710 Mary Toijainen 8 Ristiina September 29, 1714 Anna Syrjäläinen 4 Ristiina February 27, 1715 Martti Tarhoinen 4 Ristiina February 27, 1715 Maria Ukkonen 3 Ristiina January 19, 1718 Liisa Matintytär 12 Isokyrö March 28, 1718 Johanna Jaakontytär 28 Isokyrö March 28, 1718 Mary Tuomaantytär 8 Isokyrö April 29, 1718 Valpuri Vilpuntytär 13 Isokyrö February 9, 1720 Susanna Kiikka 22 Isokyrö 20 Apr 1720 Maria Sippola, 12 Isokyrö 2 Jul 1722 by Markus – - Isokyrö 18 Jan 1756 Son of Simon, Kalle 30 Sysmä 5 Mar 1758 Alice Heikitytär 28 Ilmajoki 22 Feb 1758, Matti Heikinpoika 13 Ilmajoki 17 Feb 1758 Anna Matintytär 5 Kurikka 18 Feb 1758 Mary daughter of Juho 33 Ilmajoki 26 Feb 1758 Alice Matintytär 36 Kurikka 28 Feb 1758 Alice Markku’s Daughter 52 Kurikka November 3, 1758, Juho Antinpoika 63 Kurikka 31 Dec 1758 Anonymous Girl 9 Uukuniemi 20 Dec 1764, Juho Tanskanen, 70 Tohmajärvi 24 Dec 1764 Kaapro Heikinpoika 40 Tuulos 22 Jan 1765, Susanna lower too Tohmajärvi 57 29 Dec 1765, Heikki Kurvinen 5 Ilomantsi 8 Jan 1766 Pesonen, Simo 3 Ilomantsi 21 Feb 1766 Markus Karhunen, 12 Ilomantsi 9 Feb 1767 Kari Eronen 5 Kiitehlysvaara 29 Nov 1767 8 Christina Laakkonen Ilomantsi 30 Nov 1767, Susanna Karvinen, 8 Ilomantsi 8 Jan 1768 by Christian Hjerpe 3 Ilomantsi 6 Jun 1769 Anna Suhonen 7 Ilomantsi 17 Dec 1770 Kaisa Juho’s Daughter 40 Ostrava 26 Feb 1773 daughter of Thomas Ritta 52 Jääski 26 Feb 1773, Juho Johansson, 44 Jääski 3 Apr 1780, Antti Juhonpoika 46 Orimattila 1 Jun 1780, Antti Ehrsson 18 Askola 26 Feb 1782, Johan Char 4 Pernå 14 Apr 1784, Erkki Erkki’s Son 26 Lapland Lake 20 Sep 1786 Son of Thomas Taavetti 52 Ruokolax November 7, 1787 Kaapro Tito 36 Kievennapa 20 Jun 1790, Antti Tiilikainen, 16 Sortavala 13 Nov 1802, Antti Mikko’s Boy 40, Estonia Gulf 1 Nov 1803 George Puukka 32 Räisälä 23 Jun 1807 21 Catherine Kelo Sakkola 28 jun 1807 Eve Kurri 24 Sakkola 28 Jun 1807 13 Mary Lylander Sakkola 14 Jan 1808 George VI of the European mink 33 Pyhäjärvi 9 Dec 1812 7 Mary Tautila Urjala 15 maj 1815 Anna Matintytär 26 Estonia Gulf 1816 Liisa Antti’s Daughter – Turku 24 Feb 1816 Martin Tax 34 Arctic char November 14 1817 Sakari, Mikko Koivisto, Son 18 November 23, 1817, Matti George Son 38 Vehkalahti November 27, 1817, Juho Sigfridinpoika 31 Luumaki 2 maj 1817, Elias Matsson 21 Koivisto 2 Dec 1818, Riitta Lammi Antti’s Daughter 70 11 Feb 1818 led by the Lake Mary 4 Alavus 27 Feb 1818, Juho Aktila 35 Pälkäne 25 Apr 1818 Catherine the daughter of Samuel 18 Lempäälä 30 Jun 1818, Ulrika Björn 23 Kangra 10 maj 1823 Simon James Son 37 Pyhtää 13 Jun 1824, Juho Parikka 43 Jaakima 18 Jun 1824 64 Anna Hjerpe Hämeenlinna 19 Oct 1824, Pekka Leppänen, 46 Ilomantsi 27 Feb 1824, Heikki Kuivalainen 14 Ilomantsi 24 Oct 1824, Matti Lemmittylä 25 Valkjärvi 30 Jan 1825 Berndt Hoffman, 60 Kirkkonummi November 17, 1825 Matias Nyberg, 26 Kirkkonummi 14 maj 1825, Risto Pihlman 55 Pälkäne 9 juli 1825 Simon Andersson 38 Tammela 21 Jul 1825 55 Wilkinson, Juho Tammela 23 Jan 1826, Juho Vendace 30 Pielinen 20 Jul 1826, Matti Antinp. Poutanen 32 Parikkala 28 Jul 1826, Matti Antinp. Poutanen 28 Parikkala 18 Aug 1826 Son of Gustav Matin 66 Kangra November 2, 1827 by Adam Hasselgren 4 Kuopio 16 Feb 1827 Antti Kiminki 2 Maaninkajoki 27 Apr 1827 Mary Alice daughter Juho 4 veckor Jyväskylä 18 Aug 1826 Son of Gustav Matin 66 Kangra 17 Apr 1828, Antti Tollo 41 Jääski 24 Apr 1828, Antti Kuosa 18 Kurkijoki 15 maj 1828, Mikko Jöransson 55 Lappee 21 Nov 1830 Kaisa Hannukainen 6 Kaukola 13 Jan 1831 7 William Piilonen Ruovesi 20 Jan 1831, Ulrika Aatuntytär 4 Sysmä 26 Jan 1831 Kaisa Pärnänen 4 Kaukola 17 Feb 1831, Heikki Everi 9 Kaukola November 14, 1831 Anna Suuronen 6 Kaukola 19 Sep 1831, Pekka Teräväinen 14 Kaukola 22 Dec 1831 Erkki Olkinuora 5 Kaukola 31 Jul 1832, Adam Karvanen 8 Hiitola 2 Aug 1832 64 Maria Lankinen Hiitola 18 Aug 1832 Mary Lasonen 2 Priozersk 11 Sep 1832 16 Anna Ijäs Hiitola 17 Dec 1836 Johan Lindström, 6 countries, Kimito 29 maj 1839, Juho Buck Rock Napa 4 15 Jun 1841 Elizabeth daughter Antin 3 Estonia Gulf 4 Apr 1842, Antti Patjas 20 Jääski 30 maj 1843 Anna Pesonen 5 Kievennapa 12 Jun 1843 Mr. Mäkeläinen 26 Kievennapa 18 Jul 1843 Joseph Vesalainen 11 Kievennapa 19 maj 1844, Antti Väisänen 32 Muolaa 8 Jul 1844, Juho Valtonen, 7 New Church VI 1 Sep 1844, Antti Walberg 6 Kievennapa 17 Sep 1844, Helena Breiman 11 New Church VI 22 maj 1846, Juho Roponen 4 Sakkola 2 Aug 1847, Antti ductile 5 Kievennapa 6 maj 1847, Antti Toivonen 5 Kievennapa Eve 6 maj 1847 Huhtanen 8 Kievennapa 12 maj 1847, Mikko Veijalainen 8 Kievennapa 15 Jun 1847 Job Karvanen 7 Kievennapa 16 Jun 1847 Hedvig Hokkanen 3 Kievennapa 22 Jun 1847 Josef Erkinp. Savolainen, 6 Kievennapa 29 Jul 1847 Joseph Antinp. Savolainen, 4 Kievennapa 10 Dec 1847 Son of Gustav Gustav four Ikaalinen 26 Apr 1848 Joseph Nettle 4 Kievennapa 3 Jun 1848 Lovisa Wolf 5 Kievennapa 28 Jun 1848 5 Mary Bear Kievennapa 15 Jul 1848 Catherine Pavolainen 5 Kievennapa 22 Aug 1848 Eva ecological succession Kievennapa 7 1 Aug 1849 Christina Matilainen 2 Kievennapa 15 Aug 1849, Juho Honkanen 5 Kievennapa 20 Apr 1850, Matti Veijalainen 7 Kievennapa 2 Jun 1850 Christina Montonen 9 Kievennapa 17 Jul 1850 Tahvana Parikka 7 Kievennapa 27 Dec 1854 32 Peter Alexander Pennanen 14 Feb 1857 Mary Lindstrom 32 Liljendal 29 Feb 1857 Alice Stoltti 44 Kirvu November 21, 1857, Matti Rouhiainen 27 Kirvu November 26, 1857, Risto Veijalainen 25 Kirvu 3 Apr 1857, Antti Pullinen 40 Kirvu 12 Apr 1857 Anna Mikont. Hynninen 20 Kirvu 19 Apr 1857 Anna Paavont. Hynninen 43 Kirvu 7 maj 1857, Mikko Jaakonsaari 44 Kirvu 13 maj 1857 Elena Häyry 41 Kirvu Maj 22 1857 Reiman, 65 Eve Liljendal 13 Dec 1859 Tuticorin Rask 13 Eurajoki 24 Feb 1865 Taavetti Töllikkö 44 Heinjoki 17 Apr 1865 46 Anna Töllikkö Heinjoki November 2, 1865 Bert Raikkonen 60 Heinjoki November 28, 1865 Thomas Mole 36 Heinjoki 9 Apr 1865, Antti Mole 19 Heinjoki 22 Apr 1865 9 Thomas Raikkonen Valkjärvi 30 maj 1877 Oscar Aakku 3 Hämeenkyrö 4 Jun 1877 Charles Turunen, 3 Hämeenkyrö 30 Jul 1877, Johan Johansson, 7 Ylöjärvi 17 Oct 1877, Kalle Elina’s Son 3 Pirkkala 25 Oct 1877 Charles Avola 5 Hämeenkyrö 10 Nov 1877 Eve Huhtamaa 2 Hämeenkyrö 25 Dec 1877 Gustav Juhonpoika 33 Pukalaidun 28 Dec 1878 Edla Hanhikoski 8 Ylistaro 18 Jan 1880 8 Charles Hornberg Kalanti 23 Apr 1880 Johanna Wiik 2 Laitila 25 Apr 1880 Mary Noble Tapomäki 6 26 Apr 1880 Maria Helin 2 Mynämäki 15 maj 1880, Amanda Latvala 3 Aura 3 Aug 1880 10 Anna Lindberg Mynämäki 6 Oct 1880 4 Ida Eufrosynentytär PEM 7 Oct 1880 Serafina Granfors 5 Laitila 15 Oct 1880, Paul Grönroos 5 Vehmaa 14 maj 1881, Juho Nousiainen Vähätalo 5 15 maj 1881 Matilda Heikkilä 4 Karelia 10 Jun 1881, Mauri Leppäoja 9 Nousiainen 29 Jun 1881 Gustav Niittumaa 4 Mynämäki 15 Jul 1881 Son of Matti Juhani 7 Noble 22 Jul 1881, Gustaf Hartman 9 Karelia 31 Jul 1881, Gustaf Åkerman 2 Masku 3 Aug 1881 Mathilda Savo 8 Laitila 15 Aug 1881, Gustaf Nummelin 5 Karelia 10 Sep 1881 Charles Forsström 7 Mynämäki 4 Sep 1881 Varpu Paakki 32 New Church 15 Sep 1881, Mikko Määttänen 31 New Church 1 Oct 1881, Kalle Santala 8 Mynämäki 31 Oct 1881 Juho’s daughter Alina 6 Vehmaa 7 nov 1881, Kalle Grönroos 5 Vahto You might want to copy and save to your computer.
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n many ways, Goldman’s incorrect and idealistic frothing is very typical
of his ilk, claiming that “malicious and inaccurate information about
wolves that, for centuries, has resulted in the unjust demonization and
heartless massacre of this vital and beautiful animal”.

How soon people forget their history! The list I provided below comes from church records from Finnish parishes, between the years 1710-1881. This does not include other lists we have compiled from our Swedish Wolf Watch 2 members, Norwegian, and Danish.
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And in their wildest, insane imaginations how do these Wolf Program (OWS)
proponents even IMAGINE these killing machines to be ENDANGERED? Our federal and state rules, regulations and laws don’t in any way match reality, need or purpose. ALL LIVING THINGS IN THEIR PATH BECOME ENDANGERED BY THESE SADISTIC KILLING MACHINES. The perpetrators and enforcers of wolf introduction have CRIMINAL intent……. As a nation and as citizens we should be ashamed of allowing them to
inflict this desecration upon innocent wildlife that we are pretending to protect. Every living thing has become victim to malicious government power and control. Where is our compassion and sense of responsibility?

We will deserve it when attacks are turned upon us, our families and communities. A cruel way to finally achieve the much needed attention that this top down plus self-inflicted crisis deserves. Clarice Ryan
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As I began this piece, it is a pity that I actually feel the need to
rebut this garbage. I have better things that I should be doing, but
until, somehow, we can break this cycle of repeated ignorance and bias
and get our media to get off their lazy backsides and actually do some
research of their own, this remains a stumbling block to move forward
with sensible, science-backed facts in the management of our wildlife.Read more: http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011/11/22/when-wolf-drool-publications-border-on-criminal/#ixzz1eVxxrCC4

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Tom, There are many parties to blame for the greatest wildlife disaster in history, and someday it will be recorded. I predict that Echinococcus granulosus is going to be a major epidemic in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, as it takes 10 years to even discover if you have Hydatid Disease. The cover-up of this issue by Carter Niemeyer, IDFG, MFWP, and the USFWS is unfathomable.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1340530827 Scott Rockholm

Conventional wisdom discourages me from beating this dead horse, but when I stop to remember how they (wolf pimps) infested my home state with Yukon Wolves, I am compelled to come to the defense of the good people of Maine. The writings of this patent liar, and his agenda to distort reality, are on par with the plan that allowed this paradigm to occur 16 years ago in the West. This is Saul Alinsky 101 .

”If I knew little or nothing about wolves and, instead, relied on fairy tales and anti-wolf propaganda, upon seeing the wolf’s paw print in Yellowstone, I would have immediately fled from the trail screaming hysterically, afraid of being mercilessly attacked by an other-worldly beast or infected with some strange wolf disease.”

This man thinks he is inventing the wheel. These tactics were/are used to belittle common people with common sense. I have seen this more times than I can count.

“Instead, I’ve taken the time to learn the truth about wolves from world renowned ecologists, wolf experts and nature writers, such as Aldo Leopold, Adolph Murie, David Mech, Farley Mowat and Barry Lopez.”

Where does one start after this list of usual characters? I have read the writings of these people, and nothing they have detailed, with the exception of Mowat comes close to Goldmans delusions. L David Mech is conveniently finding that Isle Royal is his Achilles Heel. The one Predator/One Prey welfare study that rocketed him to the top of the hierarchy of ‘Renown scientist” status, is going to he written in history as a complete farce.

“With knowledge and wisdom, it is possible to replace the completely false, demonic image of wolves with understanding, compassion and respect for the amazing beings wolves are, in reality.”

Goldman bastardized the terms knowledge, and wisdom in this completely fictional opinion piece. He is just one more incredible armchair wanna-be, who uses condescension to push his agenda.

Those of us who are witnessing first hand, studying the facts as they unfold, are continually dumbfounded by the utter lack of compassion for what we are going through. I am personally offended by this green cancer/predator worship. This is unacceptable on every level.
Barb

Go to http://www.vargfakta.se/ and see what they have done to the wolf killed by Renee Anderson near Headquarters, Idaho. The site shows several pictures changing across the top, be patient it will come up.

Anonymous

See what they have done ? Renee shot it, or what they have done since then ? What?

So, whats the point ? The wolf is bloody, were you expecting smurf blue or something?

Maybe wolves ought stay away from folks then they won’t get their
brains blown out. Barb, these wolves can move darn quick, so quick their
a blur, now if that wolf was standing in front of Renee long enough to
get shot with a hand gun, the wolf was up to no good. Maybe she should
have let the damn thing chew on her a bit before she shot it. Maybe the
wolf would have backed off, but in the time that wolf is thinking about
it’s next move Renee made certain the next move was not the wolf chewing
on her.

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Thanks Rattler, I couldn’t deal with her pathetic “drama” today.
Harley

If I remember correctly, some people were disputing how Renee killed that wolf because there wasn’t any blood in the pictures that were posted and they doubted she’d shot it in the head, claimed she was a poacher, all kinds of things. I’m not sure I get what Barb’s point is either? To me, that link to the picture proves Renee’s story, but then again, I’m not a hunter so what do I know…Wonder what language that site was in…

Anonymous

Yeah I’ve seen all the pics, and I understand pics taken at night, bad light, what have you, if people want to conclude that Renee and her husband went to a lot of extra trouble to orchestrate this wolf kill event for some reason, so be it. Only Renee knows what happened, she was there. It appears to me the wolf was shot in the head at close range as Renee claims. Will a wolf come this close and just stand there? YES, I’ve experienced this myself, I’ve had wolves in and around my camp while I was in the camp eating or drinking coffee. So like I said before, what was that wolf doing standing this close to her? Did she feel threatened? I know I did, when in that situation at my camp, I felt threatened, and was very concerned about my horses high lined just outside the camp, very concerned. If the wolf or wolves decides to attack, they can do serious damage so quickly its not even funny, or they can leave. But lets say you’re in that scenario, and they are hanging around, and you do nothing, take no action, just watch them, and then suddenly they decide to get rough, maybe your horse gets gutted in the blink of an eye, maybe its your friend, and then looking back upon that event, you realize you could have acted to insure it did not happen, that’s called being careless, careless with a dangerous wild animal, no different than an elk in my camp, a bear, or a cougar. You get off your ass and act to make it leave, or kill it. It’s self defense. So any how if the bullet path of Renee’s bullet went through the front of the skull and pass down the wolfs neck slicing the artery in the throat, you get a large bleed out like this. So whatever, where are we at in this country, they hate us, they say we are liars, we say they are liars, I say they believe in lies, we are a divided society on the brink of civil war, the lines in the sand have been drawn. People like Barbara will try to justify their personal beliefs all the way down to their own destruction. In support of Renee I will say that many wolves have been killed with by bow an arrow, over the years, even before the wolf seasons came about, we know this because those events were reported to local authorities, wolves were being killed up close and personal with arrow, these people believing wolves won’t come right up to them are just proving how much they really do not know about wolves. I have two homes, guess what, I’ve had wolves in the yard at both homes, and coyotes in the yard at one home at night quite often. We’re in a very destructive predator pit in Idaho, now you can doubt Bible Believing people all you want and you can continue to associate with evolutionists theorizing about what happens in our front yards from hundreds and thousands of miles away all you want if that makes you feel better. There are crazy total biased hate filled people in the area for sure, Like Nancy, and Salle.

Immer Treue

Don’t know why such a big “thing” was made of this by either “side”. Renee was calling in bulls, don’t know if it said so anywhere or not, but did she have cow scent/urine about her. She was wearing cammo, but how much cammo? Did she have the mask and whole nine yards?

Wolves senses of smell and hearing are very strong. Did the wolf hear and smell what it thought to be a cow elk, investigated and came upon a moving “tree”? End of story, the wolf got shot. Renee had her tag, did nothing wrong. And I seriously doubt that Renee was being stalked by the wolf. She “called” it in. The wolf approached and got shot for it’s trouble.
Barb

As Greg says, only Renee was there to know what actually happened. I think she responded to the situation as she preceived it in a reasonable manner.

The wolf was possibly responding to her cow elk call. I am glad that Renee is OK; only sorry the wolf is not.
Anonymous

If the wolf stood there long enough for her to drop her bow and pull that pistol, and aim, the wolf knew what she was, because that wolf’s nose smelled everything involved, the urine if she used it, and her human scent, the bow oil, gun oil, and lots of other smells not normal mixed with the urine smell. Also if she did not soak her camo clothes with U-V Killer, after washing them in scent destroying laundry detergent she might as well have been in street clothes with blinking lights on her boobs. Because camo is worthless if used right out of the package or washed in every day laundry soap. The only agent that will stop a wolfs, cougars, or bears nose from picking up on every detail is ammonia. Hunting grizzly country I’ll place ammonia around my camp, guess what, they stay the hell away, its like they walked into an invisible wall, they turn, shake their head, snort, and leave.
Barb

My mistake. I saw the picture and thought that someone had added the blood to an image. After getting the two pictures together I realized it was showing the other side of the wolf; it looked more liKe I would expect for having been shot in the head.

(This was left off the previous post)
Anonymous

If the wolves have such a superior sense of smell, it must
have missed the lead and gun oil. Or, perhaps they are getting a little to
freaking bold.

There are far to many stories of aggressive wolves, while wolf lunatics
continue to attempt to deny them all as fantasy, this incident proves that they
aren’t. Now that we have gotten rid of the federal stupidity that kept this
faux endangered species protected, we are seeing quite a few wolves killed at
some very close ranges, which kind of flies in the face of the shy and elusive
fairytale.

Like I have said all along, you can only cover up the truth for so long, you
can only deny reality for so long and eventually the truth will rise to the
top. Just as we have listened to the claims that wolves will never attack
humans, the first victim of this inevitable reality will be marginalized and
attacked by the very people claiming it NEVER happens.

All this pissing and moaning over one lousy wolf, it is but one of the 1600
more that need removed from Idaho. I tried to tell you fools years ago, that
your unreasonable overreaching and denial of the science under which they were
introduced under was going to lead to a massive removal of wolves. You people
should have listened, now all you have managed to do it turn public opinion
completely against wolves, sans a few hard core wolf huggers.

Greeeeed, greeeen greeeed, this never did have anything to do with wolves.

Cui Bono

Anonymous

Harley

I see you aren’t playing so nice with the resident haters at walph’s. Personally I have a hard time stopping by there anymore, it used to be you could pick up a tidbit or two, now it has sunk into hateful spite. I did get a chuckle out of your comment about Wilma’s insignificance though.

It is getting amazingly hateful over there, it was nice to see that even a few are calling Ralph out on his escalating anger and hatred.

I can only wonder how these peoples daily lives go, hate is a consuming emotion, it has a way of entering every aspect of ones life, always negatively. They must be a joy to be around….wow

Wilma has openly admitted to her hatred toward hunters and ranchers. Most of the others over there at least try to deny it.

I have noticed that Mark is hanging out over there more and more. I wonder if it is a result of our using their comments and articles to point out the problems with trying to find a reasonable, mutual solution with those who currently stand on the other side of the issues. I do use them quite often in my correspondence with IDFG. That blog has become a very useful tool for me in pointing out the facts of their agenda and attitudes.

I am not sure if you are aware of this fact, but we are currently bringing a huge amount of pressure down to bear on F&G to follow through with this wolf removal as necessary to bring our ungulate population predation under control. We already know that this hunting and trapping is not going to be successful in removing enough wolves. The IDFG is going to be responsible for the reduction, and that is going to mean using real methods of predator management from the department themselves. this is a known truth, and the other known truth is that the wolf huggers are going to have a proverbial cow over it when it happens.

My point, by showing that nothing is acceptable to them, even a meager and unproductive rifle hunt, they really need to be discounted as the unreasonable, anti-hunting, anti-management, one sided people they are. Once you have placed yourself there, as they have, their complaints and whining become expected and they really are insignificant in the argument.

I might as well warn you right now, you are going to see aerial removal of wolves in the late winter, and it is going to be done on a large level. Anyone who really understands sound wolf management and how it is accomplished successfully, should already know this is going to happen. Anything less would be nothing but the illusion of management.

What is important from our position is to prepare IDFG to be prepared for the onslaught of emotional wolfies that will all of a sudden believe we should be bargaining with them. They have already proven that nothing is acceptable to them except 100% protection, as such, we just need to move forward with the science based wolf management that has already been shown to be necessary in Canada, Russia and Alaska. We do not need to recreate the wheel here, the science has already been done, the emotion needs dropped and the wolves need cut back to reasonable levels that couldn’t be maintained because of the continual overreaching and EAJA lawsuits for 9 years after we reached recovery numbers.

You have to understand, had we been allowed to start wolf management when the recovery numbers were met, a lot fewer wolves would have been removed at any one time. Now that we have allowed the population to explode to 8 or 9 times that number, a big bunch of them are going to die right up front. Simply a result of continually moving the goalposts to the point of having no other choice. If you look back to mine and others comments over the last few years, we have warned of this, it was obvious that eventually we would hit the wall and extensive actions would have to take place.

If they want to be angry about it, as I am sure they will be, they have no one to blame but themselves and their unwillingness to give an inch over the last 16 years. We have always said, they will love their wolves to death and by not understanding the necessity of sound management of this resilient animal, they will do just that.

Anonymous

The evolutionary theoretical dogmatic un-scientific Satanic perspective is just an underlying hatred of man, perpetuated self hate. I see they have labeled Ravalli County Montana, Right wing super patriot freak fanatic ville for wanting wolf management. Meanwhile KKK Recruiter and nigga hater, admitted Luciferian, 33rd degree Shriner, Albert Pike’s Statue and Tomb are in Washington District of Catholics Judicial Square, in honor of course of his fanaticism to hang every negro he could. Yep, better go chastise Ravalli County, and never question Pikes Statue 14 blocks from ones Congressional House, while Maughans crew is breathing another form of fascist hatred no different than anyone else’s.
Anonymous

Yeah, I caught their KKK reference. Copied it actually for another one of my letters. It is getting pretty easy over there, the hate is running full throttle, right out in the open.

What is even better, is the censored bloggist have marginalized themselves. A very good example of intellectual elitist suicide.

The irony is, historically, racism is a product of the left they love so much, and still is.
Harley

To be honest, some days I wonder why I even peek over there. Sometimes I see stuff and I just feel I gotta say something. If I had a dime though for every time I wanted to post something back, an in your face kind of thing, I’d not have to worry about a job.
Anonymous

You would be blocked in a Pocatello second. Only they are allowed to spew forth the hate while calling others haters.

But the truth be told, you would just be wasting your time. They are incapable of self evaluation or honesty.

But if you think they are riled up now, just wait a few months. It is going to be very, very ugly over there. And the last people they will ever think of blaming are themselves.
Harley

Kinda makes me glad I’m here in the midwest! It’s very hard to actually take responsibilities for your actions when the results of those actions are so contrary to what you wanted to happen.
Anonymous

Because we all want to peek in the rattle snakes den, gotta see what them snakes are up to. I know, I just insulted rattle snakes.

That’s the me me me, us only, us only, us only, anti multiple use, anti hunting, anti farming, anti ranching, anti anyone else being on the lands, blog site. Our world perspective is number one and the hell with yours, Priest Maughan’s Hate central, just another group of would be tyrant assholes.
Harley

Idaho,
Is a Pocatello second faster than say a New York second or a Chicago one? I always thought things were more relaxed and life was lived at a slower pace out west….

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