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	<title>Comments on: Lead Ban Chronicles &#8211; CA DFG Considers Lead Ban Expansion?</title>
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		<title>By: Lawrence Ames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lawrence Ames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may be interested to know that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service is currently in discussions with the Yurok Tribe in northern California to release California Condors on tribal lands. 
http://www.fws.gov/arsnew/print/print_report.cfm?arskey=25529 
If this happens, then northern California will become &quot;condor range&quot;, and it stands to reason that the lead ban will indeed be expanded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may be interested to know that the U.S. Fish and Wildlife service is currently in discussions with the Yurok Tribe in northern California to release California Condors on tribal lands.<br />
<a href="http://www.fws.gov/arsnew/print/print_report.cfm?arskey=25529" rel="nofollow">http://www.fws.gov/arsnew/print/print_report.cfm?arskey=25529</a><br />
If this happens, then northern California will become &#8220;condor range&#8221;, and it stands to reason that the lead ban will indeed be expanded.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zachary, thanks for the note.

In general, what you describe is exactly the solution I&#039;ve been talking about for a long time.  A phased approach is the realistic way to go about what a lot of folks, including myself, think is inevitable anyway.  

The biggest challenge is going to be making the case to sportsmen who are largely suspicious and critical of plans like this one.  The other challenge is going to be to make an affordable lead alternative that provides for all shooters... not just those who shoot the three or four most common calibers.  

Sportsmen, environmentalists, and lawmakers definitely need to be talking WITH each other, not AT each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zachary, thanks for the note.</p>
<p>In general, what you describe is exactly the solution I&#8217;ve been talking about for a long time.  A phased approach is the realistic way to go about what a lot of folks, including myself, think is inevitable anyway.  </p>
<p>The biggest challenge is going to be making the case to sportsmen who are largely suspicious and critical of plans like this one.  The other challenge is going to be to make an affordable lead alternative that provides for all shooters&#8230; not just those who shoot the three or four most common calibers.  </p>
<p>Sportsmen, environmentalists, and lawmakers definitely need to be talking WITH each other, not AT each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zachary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why not ban the use of lead in recreational hunting and fishing throughout the entire country?  It could be done in a gradual manner, rather than abrupt, and could open the market up for alternatives like copper, steel, and tungsten.  I understand these alternatives have not yet been perfected and their range, accuracy, and cost are all issues, but a &quot;gradual&quot; ban is entirely feasible.

A good deal of scientific studies, especially ones done by USGS, suggest that lead used in recreational hunting and fishing is the cause of the death of a number of birds, some of which are critically endangered like the California condor.  This damage is often irreparable and should be avoided if possible.  In this case it is possible.  

I appreciate you posting this and opening up a rational dialogue on the topic.  There has to be some sort of middle ground here and I hope policy makers, ammunition and tackle manufacturers, and outdoorsmen can find it.  It&#039;s up to all of us to solve this problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not ban the use of lead in recreational hunting and fishing throughout the entire country?  It could be done in a gradual manner, rather than abrupt, and could open the market up for alternatives like copper, steel, and tungsten.  I understand these alternatives have not yet been perfected and their range, accuracy, and cost are all issues, but a &#8220;gradual&#8221; ban is entirely feasible.</p>
<p>A good deal of scientific studies, especially ones done by USGS, suggest that lead used in recreational hunting and fishing is the cause of the death of a number of birds, some of which are critically endangered like the California condor.  This damage is often irreparable and should be avoided if possible.  In this case it is possible.  </p>
<p>I appreciate you posting this and opening up a rational dialogue on the topic.  There has to be some sort of middle ground here and I hope policy makers, ammunition and tackle manufacturers, and outdoorsmen can find it.  It&#8217;s up to all of us to solve this problem.</p>
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		<title>By: It&#8217;s Killing Bald Eagles, But the Fda Says it Safe for our Pets. &#124; dateacougarnow.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s Killing Bald Eagles, But the Fda Says it Safe for our Pets. &#124; dateacougarnow.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/02/09/lead-ban-chronicles-ca-dfg-considers-lead-ban-expansion/#comment-2622</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you posted this.  I just happened to watch the commission meeting prior to getting the NRA newsletter/alert. I&#039;ve been somewhat worried about the &quot;exaggerated&quot; response from the NRA.  I&#039;m a proud member of the NRA, but feel they need to refrain from scare tactics and need to stick to the facts.  Otherwise, they&#039;re strategy is to close to the &quot;anti-hunting&quot; groups that capitalize on scare tactics.  I&#039;d rather base my opinions on facts.  Thanks again for sorting this out for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you posted this.  I just happened to watch the commission meeting prior to getting the NRA newsletter/alert. I&#8217;ve been somewhat worried about the &#8220;exaggerated&#8221; response from the NRA.  I&#8217;m a proud member of the NRA, but feel they need to refrain from scare tactics and need to stick to the facts.  Otherwise, they&#8217;re strategy is to close to the &#8220;anti-hunting&#8221; groups that capitalize on scare tactics.  I&#8217;d rather base my opinions on facts.  Thanks again for sorting this out for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, but I didn&#039;t capture half of what was in the video.  Some really interesting stuff, and a clear division is appearing in the ranks of the Commission, with Cindy Gustafson riding the middle rail.  

Point is, these could be interesting times for hunters and fishermen in CA.  If we ever needed to be a real presence at meetings, now is that time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, but I didn&#8217;t capture half of what was in the video.  Some really interesting stuff, and a clear division is appearing in the ranks of the Commission, with Cindy Gustafson riding the middle rail.  </p>
<p>Point is, these could be interesting times for hunters and fishermen in CA.  If we ever needed to be a real presence at meetings, now is that time.</p>
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		<title>By: NorCal Cazadora</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorCal Cazadora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sorting through all of this, Phillip. I saw those alerts and was so slammed I didn&#039;t have time to make sense of it (or, sadly, to even go to the meeting).

I know one thing: While it is important to rally the troops, rallying them with misinformation and hysteria will backfire on us, particularly when hunters are already really freaked out about the lead ban. It ultimately makes us look stupid, which can&#039;t possibly help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sorting through all of this, Phillip. I saw those alerts and was so slammed I didn&#8217;t have time to make sense of it (or, sadly, to even go to the meeting).</p>
<p>I know one thing: While it is important to rally the troops, rallying them with misinformation and hysteria will backfire on us, particularly when hunters are already really freaked out about the lead ban. It ultimately makes us look stupid, which can&#8217;t possibly help.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert A Rasch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert A Rasch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip,

Great, comprehensive coverage. Certainly an issue for everyone to keep an eye on.

Albert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip,</p>
<p>Great, comprehensive coverage. Certainly an issue for everyone to keep an eye on.</p>
<p>Albert</p>
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