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	<title>Comments on: Lead Ban Chronicles &#8211; Interesting News on the Fish and Game Commission</title>
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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for dropping in, Kevin.

In some ways, I agree with your point that there should be something like a salary attached to the Commissioners&#039; roles.  There definitely needs to be more accountability, because right now there&#039;s nobody really over-seeing these guys except the Governor... and we all know that he&#039;s got way bigger fish to fry than worrying about a handful of pissed off hunters.

The thing is, they all have special interests in their backgrounds, including transportation, real estate developers, environmental organizations, etc.  Suttons ties to the Monterey Aquarium and Packard Foundation certainly raise eyebrows (especially in light of the MLPA actions), but take a look at some of the others.  At least Ms Gustafson was honest enough to step down when she recognized her own conflicts of interest.

For what it&#039;s worth, Rogers apparently got some kind of message, because his tone has changed a lot in the last couple of meetings.  I&#039;d like to think some of the many letters sent, not only to the Commission, but to the Fish and Game Director, and to the Governor&#039;s desk, may have had an impact.  

Or it could just be that he finally took the time to read the reports and research provided by folks like Anthony Canales, the NRA, and the CRPA.  He&#039;s come a long way from his earlier declaration of lead ammo as a threat to condors, the environment, and human health.  

I also agree with Holly&#039;s take re: the intended nature of the Commission.  They do have a professional staff with expertise to help guide their decisions... but from what I have seen, the Commissioners have shown a tendency to ignore the input of the staff and rely, instead, on their own predilections.  Maybe that&#039;s changing, and the recent vote on the lead ban is an indication of how it&#039;s changed.  I&#039;d like to think so... but I don&#039;t have a great feeling about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for dropping in, Kevin.</p>
<p>In some ways, I agree with your point that there should be something like a salary attached to the Commissioners&#8217; roles.  There definitely needs to be more accountability, because right now there&#8217;s nobody really over-seeing these guys except the Governor&#8230; and we all know that he&#8217;s got way bigger fish to fry than worrying about a handful of pissed off hunters.</p>
<p>The thing is, they all have special interests in their backgrounds, including transportation, real estate developers, environmental organizations, etc.  Suttons ties to the Monterey Aquarium and Packard Foundation certainly raise eyebrows (especially in light of the MLPA actions), but take a look at some of the others.  At least Ms Gustafson was honest enough to step down when she recognized her own conflicts of interest.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Rogers apparently got some kind of message, because his tone has changed a lot in the last couple of meetings.  I&#8217;d like to think some of the many letters sent, not only to the Commission, but to the Fish and Game Director, and to the Governor&#8217;s desk, may have had an impact.  </p>
<p>Or it could just be that he finally took the time to read the reports and research provided by folks like Anthony Canales, the NRA, and the CRPA.  He&#8217;s come a long way from his earlier declaration of lead ammo as a threat to condors, the environment, and human health.  </p>
<p>I also agree with Holly&#8217;s take re: the intended nature of the Commission.  They do have a professional staff with expertise to help guide their decisions&#8230; but from what I have seen, the Commissioners have shown a tendency to ignore the input of the staff and rely, instead, on their own predilections.  Maybe that&#8217;s changing, and the recent vote on the lead ban is an indication of how it&#8217;s changed.  I&#8217;d like to think so&#8230; but I don&#8217;t have a great feeling about it.</p>
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		<title>By: NorCal Cazadora</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorCal Cazadora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Well, yesterday, Rogers was the most articulate voice against expanding the lead ban - said the science wasn&#039;t there, and a group of opponents had brought forth convincing evidence that the original science leading to the ban wasn&#039;t so hot either.

I don&#039;t think pay is going to make the difference - the kind of difference you&#039;re talking about is professional v. citizen (hired v. appointed), and the nature of a commission is that it&#039;s supposed to be made of appointed citizens. The staff is what&#039;s supposed to provide the professional expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Well, yesterday, Rogers was the most articulate voice against expanding the lead ban &#8211; said the science wasn&#8217;t there, and a group of opponents had brought forth convincing evidence that the original science leading to the ban wasn&#8217;t so hot either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think pay is going to make the difference &#8211; the kind of difference you&#8217;re talking about is professional v. citizen (hired v. appointed), and the nature of a commission is that it&#8217;s supposed to be made of appointed citizens. The staff is what&#8217;s supposed to provide the professional expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Kreyenhagen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Kreyenhagen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 05:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the state fish and game commission should be a paid position instead of a voluntary position. The reason is that if it is a paid position you would have to bring some knowledge to the table on the subject of hunting and fishing in the state of California. A fair amount of individuals who have served on the commission in the past had no business serving on the commission to begin with. Their lack of knowledge concerning hunting and fishing in this state was an insult to the sporting community. Good example would be commissioner Sutton who is currently being investigated for conflict of interest while he is serving on the commission. Sutton&#039;s boss is Julie Packard of the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I am also not overly impressed with commissioners Kellog or Richards. But they are better then that useless individual Rogers. How he ever got appointed is beyond me. One sorry commissioner that I was glad to see go was Judd Hanna. Now maybe you will understand why the State commission appointment should be salaried position. Bring something to the table other then a brown nose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the state fish and game commission should be a paid position instead of a voluntary position. The reason is that if it is a paid position you would have to bring some knowledge to the table on the subject of hunting and fishing in the state of California. A fair amount of individuals who have served on the commission in the past had no business serving on the commission to begin with. Their lack of knowledge concerning hunting and fishing in this state was an insult to the sporting community. Good example would be commissioner Sutton who is currently being investigated for conflict of interest while he is serving on the commission. Sutton&#8217;s boss is Julie Packard of the Monterey Bay Aquarium. I am also not overly impressed with commissioners Kellog or Richards. But they are better then that useless individual Rogers. How he ever got appointed is beyond me. One sorry commissioner that I was glad to see go was Judd Hanna. Now maybe you will understand why the State commission appointment should be salaried position. Bring something to the table other then a brown nose.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 18:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SBW, thanks for the vote of confidence, but I am pretty sure I wouldn&#039;t want to be saddled up on that Commission.  The measly $100 per diem isn&#039;t exactly gonna pay for the aggravation, and since I don&#039;t own a major construction, logging, or mineral extraction corporation, I wouldn&#039;t stand to gain much at all from the appointment except more gray hair.  

As far as Benninghoven and the MLPA... well, that&#039;s a sad turn of events.  I&#039;m not well versed on the entire solution, but it sure strikes me as another ill-advised decision that doesn&#039;t really address the real problems facing the coastal fisheries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SBW, thanks for the vote of confidence, but I am pretty sure I wouldn&#8217;t want to be saddled up on that Commission.  The measly $100 per diem isn&#8217;t exactly gonna pay for the aggravation, and since I don&#8217;t own a major construction, logging, or mineral extraction corporation, I wouldn&#8217;t stand to gain much at all from the appointment except more gray hair.  </p>
<p>As far as Benninghoven and the MLPA&#8230; well, that&#8217;s a sad turn of events.  I&#8217;m not well versed on the entire solution, but it sure strikes me as another ill-advised decision that doesn&#8217;t really address the real problems facing the coastal fisheries.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, you were right the first time. He was appointed by Arnold because he had already made up his mind about closing down the ocean. The vote came out 3 to 2 for the most restrictive option of the two that were on the table. This will devastate the local community economies. It will also devastate the fish species in the few small areas left open for fishing. 
Just like the lead ban. No scientific justification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, you were right the first time. He was appointed by Arnold because he had already made up his mind about closing down the ocean. The vote came out 3 to 2 for the most restrictive option of the two that were on the table. This will devastate the local community economies. It will also devastate the fish species in the few small areas left open for fishing.<br />
Just like the lead ban. No scientific justification.</p>
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		<title>By: NorCal Cazadora</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorCal Cazadora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 01:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benninghoven voted as expected today on MLPA; we&#039;ll find out tomorrow what happens on the lead ban. I&#039;ll try to remember to tweet from the meeting - twitter.com/norcalcazadora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benninghoven voted as expected today on MLPA; we&#8217;ll find out tomorrow what happens on the lead ban. I&#8217;ll try to remember to tweet from the meeting &#8211; twitter.com/norcalcazadora.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Self-correction:  He is on the Game Warden Foundation, whereas it&#039;s the Wardens&#039; Association that is asking the MLPA be suspended.  Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Self-correction:  He is on the Game Warden Foundation, whereas it&#8217;s the Wardens&#8217; Association that is asking the MLPA be suspended.  Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Benninghoven was chosen because of his partiality toward the Marine Life Protection Act process, so how he will vote on lead is really up in the air.  He may not even stay around afterward.

It&#039;s particularly interesting that he is a member of the Wardens&#039; Association, when that group has asked that the MLPA process be stopped due to a lack of funding and enforcement.  You see, (and here is a bigger story you might be interested in), California has the smallest number of wardens, per capita, of any state (about 200 for a population of 36 million).  And yet, wardens are being furloughed, which amounts to losing the equivalent of about 25 game wardens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Benninghoven was chosen because of his partiality toward the Marine Life Protection Act process, so how he will vote on lead is really up in the air.  He may not even stay around afterward.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s particularly interesting that he is a member of the Wardens&#8217; Association, when that group has asked that the MLPA process be stopped due to a lack of funding and enforcement.  You see, (and here is a bigger story you might be interested in), California has the smallest number of wardens, per capita, of any state (about 200 for a population of 36 million).  And yet, wardens are being furloughed, which amounts to losing the equivalent of about 25 game wardens.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, this definitely sounds like it could pan out to be quite interesting.  And the new president looks decent from the surface, but I guess only time will tell as to how he really stands on these particular issues.

These are definitely interesting times we live in.  I hope that all of the board members, including the new president, use a clear head and really put some thought into the issues at hand before casting their votes.

Keep us updated Phillip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, this definitely sounds like it could pan out to be quite interesting.  And the new president looks decent from the surface, but I guess only time will tell as to how he really stands on these particular issues.</p>
<p>These are definitely interesting times we live in.  I hope that all of the board members, including the new president, use a clear head and really put some thought into the issues at hand before casting their votes.</p>
<p>Keep us updated Phillip.</p>
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