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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/08/11/lead-ban-chronicles-what-about-the-rest-of-the-country/#comment-3417</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What exactly is it that you think I don&#039;t get, Alex?  

Not sure about my Kool Aid, but maybe whatever you&#039;re sipping on over there has impacted your &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.manatee.k12.fl.us/sites/elementary/samoset/Resources/readcompindexa.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;reading comprehension&lt;/a&gt;.

This isn&#039;t about swallowing anybody&#039;s lies.  It&#039;s about how to move forward in the face of a rising tide of public opinion.  It&#039;s about recognizing exactly what&#039;s on the table, and deciding how to make the most palatable meal out of it. 
 
I&#039;ve said this so many times before, it&#039;s kinda getting stale, but I&#039;ll repeat it once again...

Pointing out the obvious doesn&#039;t change a thing.  It sure doesn&#039;t make it go away.
  
It doesn&#039;t take a heck of a lot of intelligence to realize that there are many people and organizations out there who are &quot;out to get&quot; hunters.  Pretty much any idiot can see that those people are not above manipulating the truth and playing on emotion over fact.  A big part of the lead ammo issue is nothing more than a hobgoblin, created to drive public opinion... and it&#039;s worked.

There is no question that anti-hunters are taking advantage of every opportunity and angle to attack our sport.  The lead ammo ban has certainly become a useful tool.  

But there&#039;s a lot of propaganda and misinformation coming from the pro-gun/pro-hunting side too.  Lots of folks are serving &quot;Kool-aid&quot; these days, and it&#039;s easy to see who&#039;s been drinking it.  

In the midst of all this are some facts, but they&#039;re still emerging.  

Do I, personally, think lead ammo presents a signficant environmental or human health risk?  No.    

However, it is plausible, and even likely, that lead ammo is having an impact of some sort on scavenger animals and birds.  In my own opinion, this impact is nominal.  Even so, I think every hunter should weigh this for themselves, and make a personal decision on whether or not to take measures to alleviate those impacts.  

For myself, I&#039;ve made some choices to mitigate my own &quot;footprint&quot; on the environment.  That includes my choice to switch to &quot;lead-safe&quot; ammo, including bonded bullets and lead-free.  If it makes no difference, then it makes no difference.  But if it helps a tiny bit, then that&#039;s a good thing.  That satisfies my personal ethic.

And trust me, if I bought into the idea that lead ammo was a significant risk to humans or wildlife, I&#039;d be waving the lead ban banner proudly over my head.  I&#039;m not afraid to speak up for what I think is right.

I am not here to tell anyone &lt;i&gt;WHAT&lt;/i&gt; to think.  I&#039;m just here to tell you all to &lt;i&gt;THINK&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What exactly is it that you think I don&#8217;t get, Alex?  </p>
<p>Not sure about my Kool Aid, but maybe whatever you&#8217;re sipping on over there has impacted your <a href="http://www.manatee.k12.fl.us/sites/elementary/samoset/Resources/readcompindexa.htm" rel="nofollow">reading comprehension</a>.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about swallowing anybody&#8217;s lies.  It&#8217;s about how to move forward in the face of a rising tide of public opinion.  It&#8217;s about recognizing exactly what&#8217;s on the table, and deciding how to make the most palatable meal out of it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this so many times before, it&#8217;s kinda getting stale, but I&#8217;ll repeat it once again&#8230;</p>
<p>Pointing out the obvious doesn&#8217;t change a thing.  It sure doesn&#8217;t make it go away.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a heck of a lot of intelligence to realize that there are many people and organizations out there who are &#8220;out to get&#8221; hunters.  Pretty much any idiot can see that those people are not above manipulating the truth and playing on emotion over fact.  A big part of the lead ammo issue is nothing more than a hobgoblin, created to drive public opinion&#8230; and it&#8217;s worked.</p>
<p>There is no question that anti-hunters are taking advantage of every opportunity and angle to attack our sport.  The lead ammo ban has certainly become a useful tool.  </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s a lot of propaganda and misinformation coming from the pro-gun/pro-hunting side too.  Lots of folks are serving &#8220;Kool-aid&#8221; these days, and it&#8217;s easy to see who&#8217;s been drinking it.  </p>
<p>In the midst of all this are some facts, but they&#8217;re still emerging.  </p>
<p>Do I, personally, think lead ammo presents a signficant environmental or human health risk?  No.    </p>
<p>However, it is plausible, and even likely, that lead ammo is having an impact of some sort on scavenger animals and birds.  In my own opinion, this impact is nominal.  Even so, I think every hunter should weigh this for themselves, and make a personal decision on whether or not to take measures to alleviate those impacts.  </p>
<p>For myself, I&#8217;ve made some choices to mitigate my own &#8220;footprint&#8221; on the environment.  That includes my choice to switch to &#8220;lead-safe&#8221; ammo, including bonded bullets and lead-free.  If it makes no difference, then it makes no difference.  But if it helps a tiny bit, then that&#8217;s a good thing.  That satisfies my personal ethic.</p>
<p>And trust me, if I bought into the idea that lead ammo was a significant risk to humans or wildlife, I&#8217;d be waving the lead ban banner proudly over my head.  I&#8217;m not afraid to speak up for what I think is right.</p>
<p>I am not here to tell anyone <i>WHAT</i> to think.  I&#8217;m just here to tell you all to <i>THINK</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Coe</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/08/11/lead-ban-chronicles-what-about-the-rest-of-the-country/#comment-3416</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Coe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For your own sake and that of those who read your blog, PUT DOWN THE KOOL AID! 
You still don&#039;t get it. How many times are you going to let the &quot;greenies&quot; (and I really don&#039;t like that term because I too believe in rational conservation) tell you that it&#039;s all OK and you&#039;re going to buy it. How many lies will you swallow before you understand that they believe that &quot;man is the cause of all things bad&quot; and sportsmen are the pointy end of that spear. How many days are you going to believe that it&#039;s raining as you feel the liquid run down your back? 
They lied then, they are lying now, they will lie tomorrow in an attempt to reach their goals. You of course are perfectly free to believe whatever you like, but suggesting the Kool Aid isn&#039;t poisoned is just mental masturbation. How many hunters out there are blind to the absolute fact that we are being stalked and encircled? As hunters I would expect a better judgment on when the hunter has turned to become the intended prey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For your own sake and that of those who read your blog, PUT DOWN THE KOOL AID!<br />
You still don&#8217;t get it. How many times are you going to let the &#8220;greenies&#8221; (and I really don&#8217;t like that term because I too believe in rational conservation) tell you that it&#8217;s all OK and you&#8217;re going to buy it. How many lies will you swallow before you understand that they believe that &#8220;man is the cause of all things bad&#8221; and sportsmen are the pointy end of that spear. How many days are you going to believe that it&#8217;s raining as you feel the liquid run down your back?<br />
They lied then, they are lying now, they will lie tomorrow in an attempt to reach their goals. You of course are perfectly free to believe whatever you like, but suggesting the Kool Aid isn&#8217;t poisoned is just mental masturbation. How many hunters out there are blind to the absolute fact that we are being stalked and encircled? As hunters I would expect a better judgment on when the hunter has turned to become the intended prey.</p>
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		<title>By: NorCal Cazadora</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorCal Cazadora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the voluntary approach too. Sadly, even though the American Ornithologists Union has praised Arizona&#039;s voluntary approach, other animal advocates have now sued BLM and USFWS for not banning lead outright in Arizona - even though they&#039;ve basically eliminated about 95 percent of the lead ammunition that was going into the condor zone.

They&#039;re shooting themselves in the foot. Arizona hunters are working with their state; California hunters are pissed at our state. The last thing you want to do when you&#039;re trying to effect change is piss of the people you&#039;re asking to make the big changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the voluntary approach too. Sadly, even though the American Ornithologists Union has praised Arizona&#8217;s voluntary approach, other animal advocates have now sued BLM and USFWS for not banning lead outright in Arizona &#8211; even though they&#8217;ve basically eliminated about 95 percent of the lead ammunition that was going into the condor zone.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re shooting themselves in the foot. Arizona hunters are working with their state; California hunters are pissed at our state. The last thing you want to do when you&#8217;re trying to effect change is piss of the people you&#8217;re asking to make the big changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/08/11/lead-ban-chronicles-what-about-the-rest-of-the-country/#comment-3414</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very perplexing issue, Phillip, and as always you definitely have me thinking.  I think a good middle road is the way to go, and I like the idea of letting hunters decide for themselves whether they want to use non-lead ammunition or not.  

We all know the potential risk involved with lead, but I still struggle - since lead has been used in projectiles for a number of years - with how all of the sudden it is under such scrutiny.  And until I see some concrete evidence (I haven&#039;t yet) that lead is really causing all the issues everyone is claiming, I think switching to non-lead ammunition needs to be a personal choice.

I agree with you too, that I think the NRA is too one-sided on this particular issue, and I think they need to give a little.

Great post as always.  I like the posts that make the mind start to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very perplexing issue, Phillip, and as always you definitely have me thinking.  I think a good middle road is the way to go, and I like the idea of letting hunters decide for themselves whether they want to use non-lead ammunition or not.  </p>
<p>We all know the potential risk involved with lead, but I still struggle &#8211; since lead has been used in projectiles for a number of years &#8211; with how all of the sudden it is under such scrutiny.  And until I see some concrete evidence (I haven&#8217;t yet) that lead is really causing all the issues everyone is claiming, I think switching to non-lead ammunition needs to be a personal choice.</p>
<p>I agree with you too, that I think the NRA is too one-sided on this particular issue, and I think they need to give a little.</p>
<p>Great post as always.  I like the posts that make the mind start to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks good.  Thanks for the updates, these are great.

I wanted to point out TWS&#039; #3, acknowledging the importance of the hunting and fishing communities.  It is great to see stuff like that explicit, because, believe me, a person can catch a lot of flak for suggesting that there is some common ground, and that enviros should be encouraging more people to hunt and fish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks good.  Thanks for the updates, these are great.</p>
<p>I wanted to point out TWS&#8217; #3, acknowledging the importance of the hunting and fishing communities.  It is great to see stuff like that explicit, because, believe me, a person can catch a lot of flak for suggesting that there is some common ground, and that enviros should be encouraging more people to hunt and fish.</p>
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