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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/12/07/porcine-press-now-heres-a-different-story/#comment-3813</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 01:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you found the blog too, Evelyn.  Welcome! 

From the sounds of things, you&#039;re in Hawaii?  The Hawaiians have a thousand years or so of history with pigs in the islands now (long enough that they&#039;ve become part of the Island mythology), and while they have been blamed (rightly or not) for some serious environmental damage there, they&#039;ve also not proven to be quite eco-apocalyptic either.  

The real damage to most of this country, and to the islands, is, as Evelyn points out, &quot;the human pushing back the wild lands.&quot;  

If anyone wants to point a finger at a non-native, invasive species, they need look no further than sheep or cattle.  For sheer destruction of watersheds, native plants, and displacement of native species, nothing has done as much as livestock.  This isn&#039;t a general slam on ranchers or herders by the way, just a point of fact. 

The other non-native invasive, of course, is man, but that&#039;s another story altogether.  

I don&#039;t know that there&#039;s anything unlikely about conservationists cheering on the hunters, though.  Generally, we really do have the same end goals... although our methods and rationale may vary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you found the blog too, Evelyn.  Welcome! </p>
<p>From the sounds of things, you&#8217;re in Hawaii?  The Hawaiians have a thousand years or so of history with pigs in the islands now (long enough that they&#8217;ve become part of the Island mythology), and while they have been blamed (rightly or not) for some serious environmental damage there, they&#8217;ve also not proven to be quite eco-apocalyptic either.  </p>
<p>The real damage to most of this country, and to the islands, is, as Evelyn points out, &#8220;the human pushing back the wild lands.&#8221;  </p>
<p>If anyone wants to point a finger at a non-native, invasive species, they need look no further than sheep or cattle.  For sheer destruction of watersheds, native plants, and displacement of native species, nothing has done as much as livestock.  This isn&#8217;t a general slam on ranchers or herders by the way, just a point of fact. </p>
<p>The other non-native invasive, of course, is man, but that&#8217;s another story altogether.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know that there&#8217;s anything unlikely about conservationists cheering on the hunters, though.  Generally, we really do have the same end goals&#8230; although our methods and rationale may vary.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 22:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Beastslayer, there is damage no doubt but I think they do more good than harm in the long run if kept at a decent population.  Enter the hunters who take care of that.  Here they eat the likikoi (passion fruit) and guava and spread the seeds around.  :)  

They&#039;ve been here as long as I have and it is the human pushing back the wild lands just like it is everywhere else.  

I&#039;ve found my conservationist self in the unlikely situation of cheering the hunters on because our wild darlings are not indigenous.  That&#039;s how I justify it.  Besides, the cruelty to the pork population comes from the State who sends people in to snare them!  Those bastards!  

I&#039;m all for quick, fast, cook &#039;em and eat &#039;em.  No harm no foul.  No cruelty, just exercise for the hunters and their dogs. 

So glad I found this blog!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Beastslayer, there is damage no doubt but I think they do more good than harm in the long run if kept at a decent population.  Enter the hunters who take care of that.  Here they eat the likikoi (passion fruit) and guava and spread the seeds around.  <img src='http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve been here as long as I have and it is the human pushing back the wild lands just like it is everywhere else.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found my conservationist self in the unlikely situation of cheering the hunters on because our wild darlings are not indigenous.  That&#8217;s how I justify it.  Besides, the cruelty to the pork population comes from the State who sends people in to snare them!  Those bastards!  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for quick, fast, cook &#8216;em and eat &#8216;em.  No harm no foul.  No cruelty, just exercise for the hunters and their dogs. </p>
<p>So glad I found this blog!</p>
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		<title>By: Beastslayer</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/12/07/porcine-press-now-heres-a-different-story/#comment-3811</link>
		<dc:creator>Beastslayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite quarry is always getting a bad rap.

Look at Tejon.  It&#039;s grasslands is lush year-round and invariably green in spring.  I have no doubt that its being helped by the pigs aerating the soil by its rooting.

No doubt the pigs will wreck havoc on plants in any agricultural area.  But that&#039;s more the exception than the rule and certainly it is not without solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite quarry is always getting a bad rap.</p>
<p>Look at Tejon.  It&#8217;s grasslands is lush year-round and invariably green in spring.  I have no doubt that its being helped by the pigs aerating the soil by its rooting.</p>
<p>No doubt the pigs will wreck havoc on plants in any agricultural area.  But that&#8217;s more the exception than the rule and certainly it is not without solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Phillip Loughlin</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/12/07/porcine-press-now-heres-a-different-story/#comment-3810</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Loughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points all!

CRig, you&#039;ve got some good questions there.  I&#039;d like to see some solid, objective research to find the real answers.  Somehow, I think we&#039;ll find that a lot of the impacts feral hogs have on the native habitat are actually positive.   Rooting, for example, is nothing more than disrupting soil and ground cover.  

As Michael points out, the Native Hunt ranches are loaded with hogs, yet the quail populations are booming.  

Oh, and an interesting point about the lions... Michael, did you know the DFG and UC Davis are investigating the theory that the pigs are causing a boom in the population of mountain lions, which are, in turn, decimating the deer populations?  That&#039;s just about the craziest damned theory I&#039;ve ever heard!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points all!</p>
<p>CRig, you&#8217;ve got some good questions there.  I&#8217;d like to see some solid, objective research to find the real answers.  Somehow, I think we&#8217;ll find that a lot of the impacts feral hogs have on the native habitat are actually positive.   Rooting, for example, is nothing more than disrupting soil and ground cover.  </p>
<p>As Michael points out, the Native Hunt ranches are loaded with hogs, yet the quail populations are booming.  </p>
<p>Oh, and an interesting point about the lions&#8230; Michael, did you know the DFG and UC Davis are investigating the theory that the pigs are causing a boom in the population of mountain lions, which are, in turn, decimating the deer populations?  That&#8217;s just about the craziest damned theory I&#8217;ve ever heard!</p>
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		<title>By: T. Michael Riddle</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/12/07/porcine-press-now-heres-a-different-story/#comment-3809</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Michael Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.   It is those damned Lion&#039;s that are wreaking havoc on the Deer population&#039;s and upsetting a proper balance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.   It is those damned Lion&#8217;s that are wreaking havoc on the Deer population&#8217;s and upsetting a proper balance!</p>
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		<title>By: T. Michael Riddle</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/12/07/porcine-press-now-heres-a-different-story/#comment-3808</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Michael Riddle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 12:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the proper and balanced numbers Wild Hogs are not as destructive as one would be led to believe by entity&#039;s wanting to protect their job&#039;s at eradicating them.

**Read local (Santa Clara County) rancher and author: George Work&#039;s dissertation on the subject!

And you have personal knowledge of this yourself Phillip by how many quail (ground nesting birds) are out at the N.H. ranches.
Despite the fact that the ranches are crawling with pig&#039;s!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the proper and balanced numbers Wild Hogs are not as destructive as one would be led to believe by entity&#8217;s wanting to protect their job&#8217;s at eradicating them.</p>
<p>**Read local (Santa Clara County) rancher and author: George Work&#8217;s dissertation on the subject!</p>
<p>And you have personal knowledge of this yourself Phillip by how many quail (ground nesting birds) are out at the N.H. ranches.<br />
Despite the fact that the ranches are crawling with pig&#8217;s!</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 02:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is definitely interesting to see a story where they are purposely introducing wild boars into an area.  All of us in the U.S are accustomed to wild pigs being the beginning of the end for any habitat they inhabit.  But with this story, it&#039;s a completely different take.

Very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is definitely interesting to see a story where they are purposely introducing wild boars into an area.  All of us in the U.S are accustomed to wild pigs being the beginning of the end for any habitat they inhabit.  But with this story, it&#8217;s a completely different take.</p>
<p>Very interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolina Rig</title>
		<link>http://www.skinnymoose.com/hogblog/2009/12/07/porcine-press-now-heres-a-different-story/#comment-3806</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolina Rig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 20:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting point Phillip.  I&#039;ve always told everyone, &quot;feral pigs will be the death of our native species!&quot; Granted I&#039;ve only got a few personal observations and have no real &#039;data&#039; or idea what their affect on the environment has been.  Seeing what a feral pig can do to the under story in an old growth cypress bottom, long leaf pine savanna, or on top of an oak ridge is mind blowing.  Does this damage equate to less than optimal habitat for native species?  Or does it promote 1st succession growth that our whitetail deer, turkey, quail, rabbit, and other &#039;game&#039; species thrive in?  Don&#039;t forget the migrant non-game species that make our forays into the woods worth the trip during seasonal changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point Phillip.  I&#8217;ve always told everyone, &#8220;feral pigs will be the death of our native species!&#8221; Granted I&#8217;ve only got a few personal observations and have no real &#8216;data&#8217; or idea what their affect on the environment has been.  Seeing what a feral pig can do to the under story in an old growth cypress bottom, long leaf pine savanna, or on top of an oak ridge is mind blowing.  Does this damage equate to less than optimal habitat for native species?  Or does it promote 1st succession growth that our whitetail deer, turkey, quail, rabbit, and other &#8216;game&#8217; species thrive in?  Don&#8217;t forget the migrant non-game species that make our forays into the woods worth the trip during seasonal changes.</p>
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