I had the pleasure of speaking with Dorge O. Huang, owner of Firenock, LLC on the phone. We had a lengthily discussion about the Firenock Product Line. This I must say is an amazing product!!! What is Firenock? Firenock is a high-tech piece of equipment with hunter’s mind designs. Electronically, Firenock employs a double-sided SMT (Surface Mount Technology) electronic circuit board to achieve ultra lightweight and extra high reliability. The circuit board is also epoxy coated to make it weatherproof. Firenock employs replaceable high power lithium pin type battery which Firenock will stay lit for 18-22 hours continuously, and 38-48 hours under 1-hour increment with a fresh battery. The Firenock can be purchased at over 100 Gander Mountain Locations Nationwide along with many other Retail Dealers. I will be field testing a Firenock soon. I am looking forward to the experience!!
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Here you will find some FAQ’s about Firenock.
How heavy is a Firenock?
Firenock v1.x – ~19 grains without the nock and ~31 grains with nock, ESBEC, and battery installed
Firenock v2.0s – ~ 25 grains with nock and battery installed
Firenock v2.0a – ~ 22 grains with nock and battery installed
Firenock v2.0e – ~ 23 grains with nock and battery installed
Firenock v2.0c – ~ 24 grains with nock and battery installed
Lightning Nock v2.01s – ~ 26 grains with nock and battery installed
What arrows will Firenock fit?
Firenock v1.x will fit any arrow with an internal diameter of 0.243" – 0.246"
Firenock v2.0s will fit most standard carbon arrow shafts and also fit aluminum shafts that can utilize
the uni-bushing system
Firenock v2.0a will fit most narrow arrow shafts with an internal diameter of 0.202" – 0.204"
(i.e. Bemans™ MFX™, Easton™ Axis™, Carbon Express™ Edge™)
Firenock v2.0e will fit most medium arrow shafts with an internal diameter of 0.229" – 0.231"
(i.e. Easton™ A/C/C 3-49/390, ST Epic™, ST Epic RealTree HD Green™)
Firenock v2.0c will fit carbon crossbow bolt shafts with an internal diameter ID of 0.301" – 0.303"
Lightning Nock v2.01s will fit the same arrows as described for Firenock v2.0s
The nocks look different. What nock does Firenock use?
In order to make the most versatile fitting and the best lighted nock, Firenock took the only way that would allow us to achieve these targets. That is we design and make our own nocks. This is the most expensive and complicated route to make a lighted nock. Every moulds of Firenock are designed with extreme tight tolerance (0.001 mm) and molded with the best polycarbonate for nock making based on our research. Based on published specifications, we know that it has a better IZOD respond to tackle issue like memory and shear force, we are also able to control how the optical characteristic of each nock will be.
To satisfy the toughest demand for matched nock for the most discrete target shooter, all production moulds of Firenock's nock have cavity number. This straight production rule allows us to provide matched nocks that will be within 0.000001 mm and 0.1 grains variance (Available only in target pack (MSRP $750.00 which it contains 45 lighted nocks and 45 matched weight nocks).
From our test bench, we consistently get 1 to 2 ft per second faster results than most other manufacturer's nock (when shoot without the circuit board installed).
When you use Firenock; you not only get the lightest and brightest lighted nock on the market, you also get one of the best shooting nock too.
Will any Firenock/Lightning Nock fit Easton A/C/C 3-60/340 arrows?
Easton A/C/C 3-60/340 arrows have an internal diameter of 0.240" and since they are carbon wrap over aluminum, there is absolutely no give. Firenock v2.0s and Lightning Nock v2.01s both only go as small as 0.242", BUT with some minor modification, they both will fit the Easton arrows. Use a razor blade and shave off 8 ridges on the nock cylinder. By doing so, you reduce the Outer Diameter (OD) of the nock to 0.2405" which would make a perfect contact with the ID of the arrow shaft and also with the right snug. Not out of the package easy, but it works like a charm.
Will any Firenock fit Easton A/C/C 3-49/390, 3-39/440 and 2-28/500 and Epic arrows?
After some serious testing. We concluded that Firenock 2.0e can fit all the above sizes: ACC/3-49/390 3-39/440 and 2-28/500 with no or very minor modifications.
A/C/C 3-49/390 has an inside diameter of 0.2305" or 5.86mm
A/C/C 3-39/440 has an inside diameter of 0.2175" or 5.54mm
A/C/C 3-40/390 has an inside diameter of 0.2085" or 5.16mm
Firenock 2.0e design is base on an oversized Firenock's 2.0a mould which has a cylinder of 0.2047". Now with the 12 ridges being 0.0129" high each, it can easily be shaved to fit (with the Uni-Bushing removed of course). We are in the process of developing the ideal way to do that resizing). This is what we have so far:
1) find an extra piece of the arrow tube that you are planning to use
2) cut it down to about 3" for ease of handling
3) grind the outside so you have a sharp edge on the ID of the tubing
4) place Firenock v2.0e in the nock tool with the nock cylinder pointing up
5) slightly tap the 3" shaving tube (the one you just made) on to the nock
6) some of the ridges will be shaved off as you force down the tube
7) do not shave the 30 degree wedge edge at the very end of the nock cylinder.
That part you still for perfect centering fit
Not off the package easy, but at least you can get some lighted nock for the A/C/C 3-39/440 and 2-28/500.
What makes Firenock so different?
Please check our testers' reviews on our PDF page and read them for yourself.
What are the differences between Firenock v2.0s and Lightning Nock v2.01s?
Firenock is a product developed base on pride and need, Lightning Nock is made to meet price point in the market place. That's said, they both works for what they are suppose to; just the level of performance one wants and one's budget:
1) Firenock v2.0s retail for $49.95 and Lightning Nock v2.01s is $29.95 (will be $34.95 by next year)
2) Firenock uses an 8,000 LUX LED while LN uses a 5,000 LUX LED.
3) Firenock uses 24K gold-plated connector for extra reliability and corrosion resistance while LN use tin
4) Firenock uses Motorola chipset while LN use Toshiba
5) Firenock can handle 17G shock while LN can only handle 15G
(i.e. a lot less accidental turn on by pumping and dropping of an arrow)
6) Firenock uses Titanium alloy wire battery connector, LN use stainless
7) Firenock comes with engineered O-ring, LN (the knock proof pack is an option, $3.95) 
Firenock comes with Practice Nock, LN the practice Nock is a $9.99 option)
9) Firenock comes with Nock tool, LN does not.
10) Firenock comes with a 90 days warranty, LN is a 30 days with UPC code and receipt mail in
11) Firenock should light for continuous 23hr, LN is 17
12) Firenock is 25 grains, LN is 26
13) Firenock comes with epoxy coated Actuator Magnet in BLACK, LN is nickel plated (Silver)
What are the differences between Firenock v1.5 and v2.0s?
1) Firenock v1.5 comes with standard Extreme Shock Battery End Cap, while for Firenock v2.0,
Extreme Shock Battery End Cap is an optional accessory.
2) Firenock v2.0s uses an 8,000 LUX LED while Firenock v1.5 uses a 5,000 LUX LED.
3) Firenock v2.0s is about 10 grains lighter than Firenock v1.5.
4) Firenock v2.0s use Firenock propitiatory nock while Firenock v1.5 uses a modified Gold Tip Nock.
5) Firenock v2.0s uses engineered locking system to lock the circuit board in place while
Firenock v1.5 uses friction to lock the circuit board assembly in place.
6) Firenock v2.0s uses 24K gold-plated connector for extra reliability and better resistance to corrosion.
7) Firenock v2.0s comes in clamshell pack while Firenock v1.5 in zip lock pack.
For more technical detail please see the comparison page.
How long will the Firenock battery last?
For Firenock v1.x lighted nock systems, our test results showed that one should get 18 hours of continuous burn. If Firenock v1.x is lighted up at 1-hour increment at a time, one should expect 24 times 1-hour burn. (i.e. a fresh battery should last for a normal bow season).
For Firenock v2.0, our test results showed that the included new battery (new chemistry mix) will allow the light to be lit for no less than 24 hours and up to 48 times 1-hour burn.
While installing the Extreme Shock Battery End Cap, it got stuck at the wrong depth.
How do I fix it?
If you use fast set gels, you can use a screw that is deep enough to reach the battery end cap and then hammer it. This should loosen the battery end cap from the glue and allow you to reinstall the battery end cap at the correct depth again. If this does not work, install a new battery end cap in another arrow for convenience. You can also consider using slow set epoxy, which this would provide you more time to install the battery end cap, but the trade off is to add extra weight due to epoxy glue is heavy.
Where is the most ideal place to mount the actuator magnet?
Firenock's actuator magnet should be mounted on the arrow rest to get the best results. Ideally, you should have a place that is 2 inches from the board head/field point after full draw. That is about 7/16 of an inch away from the arrow path and is flat. In some situations, it is just too far for the actuator magnet to be 100% effective, and then you can consider adding a second magnet by stacking the second magnet on top of the first magnet, which this will make the distance 3/16 of an inch shorter. 1/8 of an inch is due to the height of the magnet, and the 1/16 of an inch is due to increase in magnetic force.
Firenock offers optional Actuator Brackets for Whisker Biscuit, Actuator Brackets for Trophy Taker and Actuator Magnet Pack (magnet in black color) for perfect actuator placement. See Accessories page for all accessories offer by Firenock to enhance your lighted nock system.
My rest was not shown on the Actuator Placement page. Where do I put my Actuator Magnet?
Please send us a picture and/or the link about the arrow rest in question. One of our field testers may have already had one and know the perfect place to place the actuator magnet. If so, once we have tested and confirm the result, a picture of the rest will be on the Actuator Placement page shortly.
Sometime the Firenock is too tight. Why?
I n some cases, the nock of Firenock v1.x can be very tight after inserting into the shaft. This may due to dirt and excessive glue inside the shaft and/or shaft diameter is really too small (below or close to 0.243"). Applying small amount of bow wax or vegetable oil on the nock before inserting should make the job easier.
This is no longer an issue with Firenock v2.0 as it is engineered to take a narrower arrow (0.242") compare to the v1.5x's (0.243") and there is no need for glue while installing Firenock v2.0s.
My nock got stuck midway during insertion. How do I fix it?
When you are in such situation, the only way out is to use pliers to try to pull the nock out. You will damage the nock for sure. If the nock can be pulled out, you will only need to replace the plastic nock and insert the circuit board back in another nock. This time, you should apply small amount of wax or oil on the nock to prevent nock sticking inside the shaft.
What is Extreme Shock Battery End Cap (ESBEC)? Do I need it?
Under normal hunting situation, you will NOT need ESBEC. Firenocks before v1.5 need the ESBEC, as it is the device that holds the battery in place. As of v1.5 onwards, it is no longer needed due to the Patented battery wire connector. The new battery wire connector also acts as a battery holder. However like all engineered product, the battery wire connector has its limitations. The battery wire connector will allow one to shoot into 2X4, and most trees and soil without failure. If you hunt in areas full of rocks, shoot it into concrete walls, steel drums, do video dart screens shooting, etc. then you need ESBEC. From our field test: as long as the arrow is not sheltered and the glue holds the ESBEC in place, the system will not fail, Firenock/Lightning Nock with ESBEC installed will survive the extreme shock and will still remain lit. ESBEC with the O-ring weigh 3.4 grains.
Do I need Extreme Shock Battery End Cap (ESBEC) for video shooting?
Yes, you absolutely need Extreme Shock Battery End Cap (ESBEC) for video shooting. This activity is one of the most punishing of all things one can do to a lighted nock of this design. The constant pounding of the arrow to the screen and the dropping of the arrow to the floor will do all kinds of damage to the custom polycarbonate nock without the EXBEC installed. To provide the most protection, and prevent the circuit board, nock and battery from being destroyed, install Extreme Shock Battery End Cap is the only way we know if you want to use your Firenock/Lightning nock with video shooting. From our field tests: with ESBEC installed, the system will not fail, and will survive a few dart league no doubt.
I cannot get the Extreme Shock Battery End Cap into the arrow shaft. Did I get the wrong size?
Without putting the O-ring on the battery end cap and then insert the battery end cap into the arrow shaft. If the battery end cap slides in without problem, it is fine and then applies glue to fix the position of the battery end cap. Try to insert the battery end cap with O-ring installed at an angle. With one end of the O-ring is in the shaft, push the O-ring with your fingernail, twist the shaft with another hand, the battery end cap should be inserted into the shaft.
Will there be a better Firenock soon?
We are doing our best to improve our products. The Firenock v2.0 shall be available not later then beginning of archery season 2007.
Will there be a cheaper Firenock soon?
Firenock is a premium product. We use the best technology and most reliable components to build Firenock. Lightning Nock is another brand product of our lighted nock; it will be an option for the budget minded archer. Lightning nock v2.01s will be available in some stores by June 2007 and its retail price is $29.95 for a pack. Please see Comparison Chart of Firenock and Lightning Nock for more details.
Will Firenock accessories work with Lightning Nocks?
Most Firenock accessories will also work with Lightning Nock and vice versa as long as it is of the same "Series". "Series" here is categorized according to the internal diameters of arrow. It is defined as follows:
{ a } – series = ~0.203"
{ e } – series = ~0.230"
{ s } – series = ~0.244"
{ c } – series = ~0.302"
My lighted nock just does not light up?
Like all electronics, poor battery connection is the number one cause of not getting the lighted nock to work. Please check to make sure that the first cross lock of the battery wire connector is indeed seated tightly at the neck grove of the battery (refer to diagram of the installation diagram manual from the installation page for more details), and the cross lock battery wire connector is not touching the center battery pin. If this happens for extended period of time, you may have already shorted out the battery and a new battery is required.
If even with a new battery is installed properly the nock does not light up after passing the actuator, a drop test can be performed to see if the switch is just stuck. From a height of no less than 18 inches and no more than 6 feet, drop the nock onto a hard surface (concrete floor in your garage is a good hard surface to do this test). If the nock does not turn on, wait 10 seconds and try one more drop. After this test, if the nock still does not light up and the nock is within the warranty period, please send it back to Firenock, LLC for replacement.
My lighted nock just does not shut off?
Firenock can need up to 8 seconds for the system to reset due to extreme temperature or humidity. Firenock also has a built in motion sensor for further shut off protection. i.e. Firenock will remain lit when it encounters shock, motion, and/or magnet field within the 4-8 seconds after it has been lit. Thus Firenock can be reset or turned off after the 4-8 seconds delay.
For testing, please hold the lighted nock motionless and wait 10 seconds, then pass the lighted nock over the actuator magnet. If light still does not turn off after passing the actuator, a drop test can be performed to see if the switch on the circuit board is just stuck. From a height of no less than 18 inches and no more than 6 feet, drop the nock onto a hard surface (concrete floor in your garage is good hard surface to do this test). If the nock does not turn off, wait 10 seconds and try one more drop. After this test, if the nock still does not turn off and the nock is within the warranty period, please send it back to Firenock, LLC for replacement.
My installed v1.5 Firenock makes rattling sound when I shake the arrow shaft.
How do I fix it?
The rattling sound you heard is an indication that the LED does not seat tight with the laser-cut light-pipe. Reseat the circuit board against the light pipe will solve the problem. Remove the Firenock from the arrow, with the battery still installed; apply force from the back end of the battery to reseat the circuit board. If the rattling sound still occurs, the machined groves on the nock are worn out and need replacement.
Why are there 2 sets of O-rings for my Firenock v1.5?
Some Firenock v1.5 comes with a double groove battery which it functions best with a 3.5mm O-ring. While the one with single groove works best with a Knock Proof rubber band. Firenock v1.5 pack comes standard with Extreme Shock Battery End Cap (ESBEC). The new and improved ESBEC uses a different 3 mm internal diameter O-ring. For carbon arrow with internal diameter of 0.243" to 0.246", you will need to install the 3.5mm O-ring on the battery mid grove like Firenock v2.0s to prevent the rattling sound made by the battery against the carbon shaft
Will my ESBEC for v1.5 work with my Firenock v2.0?
The ESBEC for v1.5 is technically workable for both Firenock v1.5, Firenock 2.0s and Lightning Nock v2.01s. The ESBEC for Firenock v1.5 uses a 40mm installation tool while the ESBEC for Firenock v2.0s needs a shorter installation tool. If you can locate a 35mm M5-0.5 screw, ESBEC for v1.5 will work for Firenock v2.0s.
ESBEC was installed in my arrow since v1.5. Will my Firenock v2.0s work the installed ESBEC?
Firenock v2.0s will not function properly in arrow shaft installed with v1.5's ESBEC. The issue is that the ESBEC is installed 5mm deeper than what is considered ideal for v2.0s. In case like this, although Firenock v2.0s will still function, v1.5s ESBEC does not provide the shock any shock protection to Firenock v2.0s. The battery wire connector can break if it is shot into objects like steel plates and concrete blocks.
My Lightning Nock makes rattling sound when shaken inside the arrow. Is it defective?
Lightning Nock is a budget brand product. i.e. you get the bare bone only. For those who use bow-mounted quiver, it is highly recommended that you also purchase accessory pack Knock Proof Pack. It is a set of virgin rubber band that shields the battery from making contact with the arrow shaft and thus eliminates the rattling noise.
I would like to thank Dorge for taking time out of his busy day to talk to me.
You can find out more about Firenock at http://firenock.com
Firenock, LLC
615 Gateway Drive
Henry, IL 61537-1001
Phone: (815) 780-1695
Cell: (708) 267-0474
Fax: (810) 222-0474
Email: contact@firenock.com
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